re: Stephen Miller- administration considering suspending habeas corpus

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So you carry your birth certificate with you at all times? I get carrying your driver's license, of course

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Perhaps living in Kiwiland has warped your brain

Carrying a RealID drivers license IS carrying your birth certificate.

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The process of getting a REAL ID and what documents you must provide depends on your state.

Proof of identity - To prove your identity, you can bring a U.S. birth certificate, or a U.S. passport that also requires your birth certificate in order to be issued
Proof of a Social Security number - You can provide your Social Security card, or your Form W-2, which identifies you by your Social Security number
Proof of residency - Your department of motor vehicles will ask you for a deed, mortgage statement, lease agreement, utility bill, or bank statement to prove you are a resident.

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If you're walking down the street, what proof does one have of being a citizen?

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So you're actually suggesting that ICE is going to start detaining people without ANY sort of review whatsoever. Just throw someone into a van, handcuff them, drive them to the airport and off they go to some foreign country. No paperwork. No standardized workflow. No accountability

And then when others notice a person is gone, maybe family or whatever, ICE will just shrug their shoulders and say "Tough break, Chet."

That's awesome

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without any due process, you don't have the chance to prove it

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Your laughable scenario goes WAY beyond "due process." You're talking about an entire govt agency going COMPLETELY off the rails and having zero accountability. It's absurd.

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So you're saying none of the J6 people were wrongfully arrested?

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For being illegal aliens? The number is almost certainly zero.

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This isn't about deporting illegals

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Newsflash: yes it is about illegals, and ONLY illegals. Not any sort of fantastical scenario where ICE starts rounding up citizens.

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"if you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind the police searching you."

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So now you're saying ICE is going to start setting up roadblocks and searching people's papers? This is beyond ridiculous

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If the government doesn't have to prove they are

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Suspending due process doesn't mean ICE doesn't have to prove they were accurate in who they detained. I'm not sure why you don't understand that. It doesn't mean all accountablility is out the window and it's silly for you to suggest that it does mean that.

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they could potentially deport anyone for anything, then force the deportee to prove their citizenship

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Why are you thinking this is a new thing. This could have been happening all along by numerous govt agencies, not just ICE. But that's not a reason to stop working to deport violent illegals.

You just don't even comprehend the basics of this discussion

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]It can be obtained by any legal resident

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Correct. So it doesn't prove you can vote in an election or that ice can't detain and deport you. That requires additional docs or research to verify.

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99.999999999% of the time if you are a “legal resident”, then you won’t have a single interaction with ICE in your entire life. just stop

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white guy? you're probably right
a natural born citizen with a latin appearance? that number changes drastically

Not the same as a birth certificate. A green card holder can get one as well. Not all citizens will get a Real ID.

Proof of a SS#.....come on they sell those things at bodegas.

Also a lot of states issue out driver's licenses to illegals like CA, IL, NY, OR and others

Doesn't matter anyway if you suspend habeas.

The problem is the part of the law that so many are using right now. Before 2014, it was the standard grab and deport them. They did not enter their name into the system via the asylum scam. Once they are in the system like that, they end up being set in the process. Most who have come across since 2015 are in the system and set up in the asylum process.....still here illegally, but at the same time their status is being determined via the immigration courts so they are in a database which gives them some protection.

Trump's EOs don't even begin to deal with the asylum scam other than the change back to Remain in Mexico. Congress NEEDS to act in that if you change the law , you can really begin to solve the problem instead of alternating policies depending who is in office.

Suspending habeas at this point creates more problems . Before 2014 when these guys were caught they got rounded up and shipped off.....fast. Up until the last few months they cross the border and they WANT to be caught and put into the system under asylum status. So they get in , processed, given a court date and an app ( so many come across with phones) and the situation ends up being stretched for another 2-3 years until the court date due to backlog.

Get Congress involved and solve the problem once and for all. But saying you are going to suspend habeas is to dangerous to actual citizens....especially naturalized ones and a nightmare for green card holders. Get Congress Involved.....make them work.

This explanation requires holding 2 different thoughts in your head at the same time.

1. Fix immigration process issues

2. Do not violate the constitution

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Suspending habeas at this point creates more problems . Before 2014 when these guys were caught they got rounded up and shipped off.....fast. Up until the last few months they cross the border and they WANT to be caught and put into the system under asylum status. So they get in , processed, given a court date and an app ( so many come across with phones) and the situation ends up being stretched for another 2-3 years until the court date due to backlog

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Suspending habeas cuts through precisely what you're saying it doesn't cut through. If they are here illegally, they get deported, regardless of any attempt by illegals to game the system

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Get Congress involved and solve the problem once and for all. But saying you are going to suspend habeas is to dangerous to actual citizens....especially naturalized ones and a nightmare for green card holders. Get Congress Involved.....make them work.

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I appreciate the response. I don't want to put words in your post so to be clear, your answer to the question "what's the answer?" is that we need Congress to pass laws that, what, rescind asylum status for all that have entered illegally since 2015? Let me know if I have this wrong.

The problem I see is that that'll never happen. Ever. And I understand the argument that the country voted these idiots into office, maybe we just have to live with the repercussions. But is that it? There is no rational/practical way to remove 20-40 million people that do not belong in the country and are a serious drain on resources? It's game, set and match - liberals won this.

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Why lie to make a point?

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I'm not it's on the state FAQ website silly.

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Can non-U.S. citizens get a REAL ID?
Yes, lawfully present non-citizens are eligible. This includes:

Lawful permanent residents (Green Card holders)
DACA or TPS recipients
Individuals with valid student or work visas
Refugees and asylees

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Does a REAL ID prove U.S. citizenship?
No. REAL ID verifies identity and legal presence, but it does not prove U.S. citizenship.

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LINK to ok gov website on realid

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