re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God

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Do you know about when that was? I'd be more than happy to go searching for it if you want to discuss further.

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Within the last year. I think March 2017 ish. I can always search later.

It came to mind because I have a friend who recently married a non-Christian. She’s willing to go to church but she’s got family that will never convert and I know she has struggled with some of the message given her family isn’t Christian.

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Keep being deliberately obtuse...

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You're projecting again.

I simply asked you to clarify your claim. It seems you don't understand your own position?

Dale,

I don't know that that is exactly what he looked like. I am not saying that IS what he looked like. It is just speculation. That being said if he indeed looked similar or close to that he doesn't look any different that the people who supported, funded, and hijacked the planes on 9/11. What does that tell us about that region of the world? And their belief system?

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Thanks for being honest, not trying to be an arse, or a gotcha question,

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Sure thing, and I'm glad you are asking serious questions. Many here just want to troll. I'm more than happy to have respectful discussions about this.

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but what makes you so special to have an easier path to heaven? Why were you privileged in being born to a christian family, in a christian community that supports your beliefs? verses someone born in another country where Christianity is not as popular, and in even some cases you could lose your life if it is known that you're practicing Christianity.

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All I can say is that I'm not special because of who I am or what I've done. I believe that it's only by the grace of God that anyone is saved, as we all (including myself) deserve to be destroyed by God for our sins against Him. I count it a blessing to have had an opportunity (many, actually) to hear the Gospel and to have been made able and willing to receive it and trust it. By myself, I'm no one worthy of mention, much less worthy to receive such a wonderful gift. I'm truly thankful to God for what He's done for me and I do what I do and say what I say out of thankfulness, not fear or forced obligation.

I've said it previously but will say it again: the reason Jesus commanded His disciples to go throughout the world preaching the message of salvation is because salvation was previously isolated to a small piece of land in the Middle East, namely Israel. They were God's chosen people and He gave salvation to them as a people. They eventually rejected the savior and thus God--in His mercy--expanded the reach of salvation beyond the Jordan to the entire world and commanded His people to take that message to all corners of the globe so that all peoples, nations, and tongues would have an opportunity.

While I was blessed to be raised in a Christian home, at some point on both my mother's and father's sides there were relatives not raised in Christian homes and had to hear the Gospel message outside of the safety of their houses. Not only that, but I have family who were raised in Christian homes but have rejected the faith. Point being, while God usually does use family to expand His kingdom, He also saves people who aren't in Christian homes and He doesn't save people who are in Christian homes. Many on this site have a history of going to church with religious relatives only to have rejected the faith. Others have stories of being raised in homes that were a-religious or belonged to a different religion but converted to Christianity at some point.

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Not trying to be disrespectful to you, and I am not saying that you personally feel or have I heard you mention that unless you are a christian you are not going to heaven, like I hear many Christians say.

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I've said that Jesus' claim is very exclusive:

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -John 14:6

I believe that only those who trust in Jesus' sacrifice will attain salvation and eternal life, and because the world is vast and there are many people who do not have access to the Gospel, Christian missionaries are necessary.

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Why would they in other religions not feel the same as you?


If you think your theory is correct, why are there so many converting to Christianity in China? How many generational Christians are there in a nation that has been predominantly secular/atheistic communist? Do you think they believe because they have read the original Hebrew? Most only have one or two pages of a Bible.

When people seek God, he meets them right where they are at. And when someone has an experience with Him, there is no way you can deny it. These people only have limited access to a Bible or even Church, but yet there is something in their spirit that makes them believe. I hate the freaking argument that a person believes because of his parents or grand parents or where a person lives.

Everybody will have the chance to hear the Gospel and the opportunity to accept the message of salvation. It's then up to that person to make the choice.

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The fastest growing religions in the world are Mormonism and Islam. Mormonism is growing faster than any religion in history, statistically speaking.

Most on this board including you would say all Mormons and Muslims are wrong. Yet, they continue blowing away orthodox Christianity in terms of growth rate.

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If the Bible is true about God (I believe it is), then these same people really do hate God even though they don't believe He exists.

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This is complete nonsense. You're conflating contempt for religion with a hatred for your god. Only one of those things is real.

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Not sure why you’re trying to ‘gotcha’ me?!?

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Only this wasn't a 'trick' or 'gotcha' type of question. Like you said nobody KNOWS what Jesus looked like other than he was described as not very handsome. That picture is simply conjecture. I think we can say with certainty though that the white, long straight haired Jesus with blue eyes is a complete fable knowing what we know about that region of the world.

Why so defensive?

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It would probably be awful to live life without real hope

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Why? Why is the finality of death so horrifying?

It's certainly less horrifying than the prospect that the overwhelming majority of humans who ever lived, including inevitably many loved ones and/or friends, will be tortured for eternity in Hell.

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I'm very content with my life and don't think it's "awful" to believe in a just and loving God who punishes sin yet saves sinners.

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It renders you incapable of judging the deceased on their actions, merits and accomplishments but rather based on the singular issue of whether or not they believed as you do. If they did not, no matter how they lived, you are forced to deal with the genuine belief that they are on hell for eternity.

That must be awful

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Yet, they continue blowing away orthodox Christianity in terms of growth rate.

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I know you probably just skipped over it, but I was specifically talking about China. Protestant Christianity at that. We are talking about people born in other cultures converting, correct? Can you explain why so many Chinese, with limited access to any Bible would be converting at such large rates?