re: State's coronavirus death toll drops significantly after officials make criteria change

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I’m going to wait for someone other than The Blaze to report on it

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is birx authoritative enough?

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The only real number is the CDC - and like I said - it’s delayed

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you're acting like they're above reproach, which they aren't. their methodology is on their website which is leading to their numbers. that methodology is being questioned in regards to the policies it is producing

CAN SOMEONE GET KORKSTAND IN THIS THREAD PLEASE?

Lies

Colorado's Gov on the change.

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Colorado lowered the state's COVID-19 death toll by nearly 300 on Friday. Then on Sunday, the governor of Colorado questioned the way the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention classifies coronavirus deaths.

The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment announced on Friday that the state would significantly change the way it counts COVID-19 deaths. As a result of the new policy, Colorado lowered the state's coronavirus deaths from 1,150 to 878.

"Beginning May 15, the department began reporting the number of deaths in two ways: The number of deaths among people with COVID-19. This represents the total number of deaths reported among people who have COVID-19, but COVID-19 may not have been the cause of death listed on the death certificate," the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment said on its website.

The second way that the CDPHE will track deaths is: "The number of deaths among people who died from COVID-19. This represents the total number of people whose death was attributed to COVID-19 as indicated on a death certificate."

"We have been reporting at the state, deaths among people who had COVID-19 at the time of death and the cause of that death may or may not have been COVID-19," Dr. Eric France, CDPHE's chief medical officer told KDVR-TV.

France said there were instances when someone's death was classified as a COVID-19 death, but that was not the primary reason why the person died. One story, in particular, grabbed national headlines last week, where a 35-year-old Colorado man died due to acute alcohol poisoning. However, the Montezuma County coroner declared the cause of death to be from coronavirus.

The office of Gov. Jared Polis (D) released a statement about the changes:

The Governor applauds efforts to ensure that we are as transparent as possible with our reporting and therefore fully supports efforts by CDPHE to specify how many deaths are specifically due to COVID-19 and not just specific to CDC guidelines that include people who died with coronavirus but not necessarily from it. What we are seeing today is a reflection of that. It's important to note that number of deaths due to COVID-19 includes data through May 9 and does not reflect cases since then. State epidemiologists believe that once the data is up to date then the number will, unfortunately, be higher.
Polis stood by his state's decision to alter the method Colorado counts COVID-19 deaths in an interview on "Fox News Sunday."

"The CDC criteria include anybody who has died with COVID-19, but what the people of Colorado and the people of the country want to know is how many people died of COVID-19," Polis said.

Polis added, "Of course there's likely cases that should be counted as COVID deaths that people have missed, doctors have missed."

"No, in fact, one of the reasons we wanted to make sure we reported it out in a better way was to inspire confidence so that it wouldn't be politicized," Polis said. "These are deaths that should not be politicized."

Dr. Deborah Birx, who is the White House coronavirus task force response coordinator, reportedly said, "There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust."

"Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC's antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated," The Washington Post reported.

Polis also talked about opening up schools this year and how it is "just not going to look like any other school year."

"Schools need to function, they are going to function. It's also going to be somewhat of a hybrid environment, meaning there might be times during the year there's an outbreak at a school that it has to convert to online for a period of weeks until it's reasonably safe to return to school," Polis told host Chris Wallace. "But by and large, I think, across our state and across our nation, kids are going to return to school in the fall, it's just not going to look like any other school year."

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So you can point at insignificant errors as if they counter the mountains of data that tell you what's really happening?

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25% isn’t insignificant

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The methodology of counting all deaths with covid as of covid is simply the fastest way to determine a reasonably close count.

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Are you serious? If a medical professional says the death is of covid, that’s the count. If the person does with covid, but covid is it the reason for the death, why would we include it at all? Just so that it can be more scary for you?

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Finding that a few people were mistakenly counted does not invalidate the whole program, no matter how badly you want it to be so.

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Again, 25% isn’t a few people.

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The numbers are reported as they are in order to most accurately gauge reality, and they are doing a damned fine job of that. If you want to focus on meaningless drivel, go for it. Just know that by doing so, you will be ignoring a significant chunk of important data. Colorado and other states are now delivering less accurate data thanks to people like you.

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So accurately sorting people by actual cause of death is less accurate to you? What world do you live in?

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25% isn’t insignificant

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This change in reporting does not indicate a 25% error. Not even close.

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Are you serious?

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Very.

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If a medical professional says the death is of covid, that’s the count. If the person does with covid, but covid is it the reason for the death, why would we include it at all?

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We shouldn't, if the CoD is obviously something else like this case of alcohol poisoning. But these cases are very much a minority.

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Just so that it can be more scary for you?

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I don't find accurate and useful information to be scary at all. Nor do I think it should scare others.

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Again, 25% isn’t a few people.

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You are completely misunderstanding what that 25% represents. It is not "these people had covid and died of something else". It is "these people had covid and we're not sure that it led to their deaths". The all-cause death data strongly suggests that the majority of that 25% actually did die due to covid.

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So accurately sorting people by actual cause of death is less accurate to you? What world do you live in?

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No it's fine to report deaths categorized in this way. But if you want to know the true impact of this virus, you have to include these probable cases. I should not have said that Colorado is reporting less accurate data, instead I should have said that they are reporting data that is more easily misinterpreted.

The people making a big deal out of this story are using it to convince themselves that covid deaths are 25% lower than reported. That is not true. The lower, 100% confirmed figure is the absolute bare minimum number of deaths. The true number is assuredly higher. Dare I say roughly 25% higher.

You’ve been conditioned.

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Colorado and other states are now delivering less accurate data thanks to people like you.

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Uhhh....it sounds like they're delivering more accurate data now to me.

I mean the words "with" and "from" are two pretty goddamn big differences when it comes to death.

But Antonio.....a month or so back you told me that deaths were likely under-reported....this can't be true that deaths are being exaggerated??? Ohhh wait....now your going to say its just the shitty medias reporting...but yet you called the reporting i was looking at back then as shite....now it turns out to be true??
So which one is it....
a.) shite media
b.) your lack of comprehension??
I would go with C.) both!