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re: STARMER: UK READY TO DEPLOY TROOPS AND JETS FOR UKRAINE PEACE DEAL
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:35 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:35 pm to John Barron
That’ll be great for them in 5-10 years when their munitions factories are back online and able to replenish their armies back to the level of a large state national guard unit.
Texas for instance has 21k national guard troops.
Belgium claims to have 25k. They couldn’t mobilize more if they needed to because they aren’t capable of arming or replenishing additional troops in a protracted engagement.
TX national guard troops
Texas for instance has 21k national guard troops.
Belgium claims to have 25k. They couldn’t mobilize more if they needed to because they aren’t capable of arming or replenishing additional troops in a protracted engagement.
TX national guard troops
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Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Once again you spend a lot of time and words to show how biased you are and ignorant of history and facts. That or you’re incredibly dishonest or stupid. Not gonna repeat them as others have in thousands of threads to you.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:37 pm to John Barron
Panamanian-flagged vessel.
But it would have zero Article V implications even if King Charles and Keir Starmer built it with their own hands in the Thames.
But it would have zero Article V implications even if King Charles and Keir Starmer built it with their own hands in the Thames.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:39 pm to Indefatigable
please tell us elly may how do the ukraians feel about it, they can't vote, they have no opposition party, and it's media is now run by their government, and zellenskyy's term expired in nearly a year ago.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:39 pm to Indefatigable
NATO nations haven’t declared war on Russia.
If NATO nations declare war on Russia any of the acts you just mentioned allow them to try to drag us into it.
I’ve no idea why you’re being obtuse about this.
Z said they’re trying to get our troops involved with directly fighting the Russians.
The Euros have talked about it.
You’re the only one who seems intent on pretending that wouldn’t be their number one strategic goal after getting involved in direct kinetic engagements.
If NATO nations declare war on Russia any of the acts you just mentioned allow them to try to drag us into it.
I’ve no idea why you’re being obtuse about this.
Z said they’re trying to get our troops involved with directly fighting the Russians.
The Euros have talked about it.
You’re the only one who seems intent on pretending that wouldn’t be their number one strategic goal after getting involved in direct kinetic engagements.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:39 pm to tide06
There's also the small reality of Texas having more than double Belgium's population. 
The Texas National Guard would be the fourth or fifth best army in NATO if it independently joined.
The Texas National Guard would be the fourth or fifth best army in NATO if it independently joined.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:40 pm to tide06
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If NATO nations declare war on Russia any of the acts you just mentioned allow them to try to drag us into it.
No it wouldn't. Article V doesn't cover offensive actions, which a declaration of war on Russia without NATO consensus would be. If France and Britain declare war on Russia proactively, we would be under no NATO obligation whatsoever to come to their defense. Just read the North Atlantic Treaty. Its right there in very simple English.
I'm sorry that you're falling for rhetoric.
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:41 pm to Jbird
quote:No it would not.
So Russia drone strikes London after UK troops are in conflict within Ukraine wouldn't trigger it?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:43 pm to John Barron
I hope the Brits know they will need to institute the draft in order to have any meaningful number of troops to send to Ukraine.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:43 pm to dickkellog
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please tell us elly may how do the ukraians feel about it, they can't vote, they have no opposition party, and it's media is now run by their government, and zellenskyy's term expired in nearly a year ago.
The only thing I know for sure is that Ukraine's domestic politics are none of our business.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:44 pm to John Barron
Troops and jets for peace.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:45 pm to tide06
quote:NATO is a defensive alliances and does not apply for consequences drawn from offensive actions. UK attacking Russian troops in Ukraine nullifies Art. 5 instantly with regard to Russian retaliation. Even Biden's vegetable brain understood this.
If they vote to invoke article 5 / 6 and Trump failed to honor the treaty, the entire DNC and some GOPe members will act to impeach him which might be the entire point of this Ukraine dance.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:46 pm to Indefatigable
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No it wouldn't. Article V doesn't cover offensive actions, which a declaration of war on Russia without NATO consensus would be.
Any of the events you listed which have already occurred against Poland would’ve allowed them to invoke article 5 had they chosen to.
They just opted not to.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:46 pm to John Barron
We need to get out of NATO before we get dragged into war.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:47 pm to 94LSU
As I’ve outlined numerous times any accidental or manufactured event in Poland is a pretext to invoke article 5 if they choose.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:47 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:47 pm to tide06
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Any of the events you listed which have already occurred against Poland would’ve allowed them to invoke article 5 had they chosen to.
Errant missiles, which they clearly were, don't rise to the level of an attack justifying a massive world war.
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They just opted not to.
Correct, because it would have been nonsensical to do so. But by all means continue to tell use how the UK unilaterally placing troops in Ukraine and making war on Russia could lead to an Article V issue.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:48 pm to Indefatigable
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Errant missiles, which they clearly were, don't rise to the level of an attack justifying a massive world war.
They do if Poland and the rest of NATO decide they do.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:49 pm to The Eric
I agree with leaving NATO. But I dont think we need new alliances… just selective choosing of friends depending on the issue
Posted on 3/2/25 at 1:49 pm to tide06
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They do if Poland and the rest of NATO decide they do.
And they didn't, and it didn't. Its not even a hypo. It literally happened and no one invoked Article V.
What is your point, exactly?
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