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re: Stanford study finds COVID not as deadly as the flu

Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:34 am to
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:34 am to
Repeat after me...OMB...must get him at all costs.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:34 am to
That's with a lockdown too.

Too many chicken littles on this board that think if it's more deadly than the flu that it means it's the black death.

Flu ain't that bad, and something that's twice as deadly as the flu isn't too bad either.

Blame Covid's kill count mostly on Cuomo and NY who forced nursing homes to take in covid positive patients.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:34 am to
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Is it appropriate to compare something that is likely a "maximum" event to an average?

How does this "maximum" compare to the most recent "maximum" flu season?



What's the maximum for a flu season?
Posted by Tiguar
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:34 am to
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I get those numbers are likely inflated, but if 30% aren't really related to Wu Flu, it is at least on par with the normal flu, right?


the "standford study" had multiple methodology issues described many times on this board

covid19 mortality won't be >1% but it will end up being worse than seasonal flu.

problem is you cant argue this without mouth-breathers screeching "WORTH SHUTTING THE ECONOMY DOWN???"

its possible to simultaneously hold the opinions this is worse than the flu and we shouldn't have shut everything down and especially not for this long
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:36 am to
Shocking . The people that amplified and ginned up the hysteria of this need to pay. They've wrecked the economy for nothing.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:36 am to
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If so, Trump went along with it. They must have fooled him.


They certainly backed him into a corner. His early comments on it didn’t help. But the early advice and planning from the CDC was absolutely atrocious. I would hope that many people retire from the CDC as a result of root cause analysis of what went so wrong there.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:36 am to
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This was all planned by the Dems to take down Trump because they cannot win in November.


It does seem to be a last ditch effort to stop the investigations into their deep state corruption. If Trump wins, the prosecutions will come "fast and furious".
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:37 am to
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Shocking . The people that amplified and ginned up the hysteria of this need to pay. They've wrecked the economy for nothing.


We could wipe out the national debt if we took Fauci on a tour and people paid to kick him in the nuts.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:37 am to
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its possible to simultaneously hold the opinions this is worse than the flu and we shouldn't have shut everything down and especially not for this long


Not if your a chicken little and think the seasonal flu is the benchmark for shutting things down.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:37 am to
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Blame Covid's kill count mostly on Cuomo and NY who forced nursing homes to take in covid positive patients.



The media toting his water for this is unconscionable
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:37 am to
Imagine the deaths from flu if there was no vaccine. Now imagine the number of covid deaths after there is a vaccine.

Covid hysteria killed the economy
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:38 am to
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its possible to simultaneously hold the opinions this is worse than the flu and we shouldn't have shut everything down and especially not for this long


One of those things is absolutely true and the other is almost certainly true.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:39 am to
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Imagine the deaths from flu if there was no vaccine.


Going down the rabbit hole a bit here: does the flu vaccine reduce flu mortality?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21804 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:39 am to
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The media toting his water for this is unconscionable


POTUS said it best...

Enemy of the People.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24079 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:42 am to
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What's the maximum for a flu season?


It's all an estimate anyway...

2017-2018 was the worst flu season recently, estimate of 61,000 deaths, with the lower estimate at 46,000 and the upper at 95,000.

This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 9:44 am
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140730 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:42 am to
Because I know your style, I’m going with no and now I’m going to go grab a snack.



Wait. No because you can’t die of the flu if you don’t have the flu. You can die of covid19 if you don’t have covid19 though. It’s that bad.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 9:47 am
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:42 am to
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I get those numbers are likely inflated, but if 30% aren't really related to Wu Flu, it is at least on par with the normal flu, right?


When this is all said and done (if we ever get an unbiased analysis of it all), they may find that Covid is significantly more virulent than influenza for the elderly and high risk people, significantly less virulent for everyone else. Which could make sense due to the fact that the elderly and high risk are more likely to receive the seasonal influenza vaccine.

Edit for clarity: Covid may be more virulent than influenza in elderly because they have some immunity (via vaccine) for flu, but no immunity (no vaccine) for Covid. So even if Covid turned out to be equal or less virulent than influenza in low risk groups, it could still have a worse impact on high risk groups.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24079 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:46 am to
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Which could make sense due to the fact that the elderly and high risk are more likely to receive the seasonal influenza vaccine.


Are we going to blame the flu vaccine for this?


They are also more likely to be Vitamin D deficient with weaker immune systems in general.

People in big cities are also likely to be Vitamin D deficient since the buildings block out the sun and they have fewer open spaces in which to spend their time.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:47 am to
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It's all an estimate anyway...

2017-2018 was the worst flu season recently, estimate of 61,000 deaths, with the lower estimate at 46,000 and the upper at 95,000.


So, as of now, we're pretty much on par with a bad flu season then, right?
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24079 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:48 am to
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the "standford study" had multiple methodology issues described many times on this board


This is a different "Stanford study," is it not?

Also, wasn't that original one adjusted and published after peer review?

I think the Santa Clara study was the truly bad one.
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