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Splitting isn’t the answer…
Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:52 pm
I keep seeing people talking like Balkanization will somehow solve our problems. IMO, this ignores several facts and realities of our situation.
First and most importantly, history tells us that marxists can never allow a competing philosophy of freedom and liberty to exist in close proximity, because at some point even the dumbest will choose freedom and liberty over slavery and totalitarian control. This means that whether there has been a split or not, they want you and your ideas dead, and will do whatever they can to achieve that.
Secondly, the overwhelming majority of areas that would split off for marxist/socialist greener pastures are not viable as self sustaining regions. Sure, California grows quite a lot of food, but much of it is done with water from what would be the freedom and liberty parts of the country. Much of southern California dries up and blows away without that water. They’ll need to overwhelm and defeat any state or country that would deny them that water.
The northeast can’t even begin to feed itself with its population. So where does that leave us? We have massive population centers thirsty and hungry. They aren’t going to sit on their hands and starve or dehydrate.
So splitting will simply result in the same violence that we thought we were avoiding. I believe there is absolutely no reason to cede one square foot of land to anyone who doesn’t believe in this country. They don’t believe in the Constitution, a republican form of government, freedom, liberty, or capitalism. They are Americans by birth only, and should be made to find another country to destroy.
First and most importantly, history tells us that marxists can never allow a competing philosophy of freedom and liberty to exist in close proximity, because at some point even the dumbest will choose freedom and liberty over slavery and totalitarian control. This means that whether there has been a split or not, they want you and your ideas dead, and will do whatever they can to achieve that.
Secondly, the overwhelming majority of areas that would split off for marxist/socialist greener pastures are not viable as self sustaining regions. Sure, California grows quite a lot of food, but much of it is done with water from what would be the freedom and liberty parts of the country. Much of southern California dries up and blows away without that water. They’ll need to overwhelm and defeat any state or country that would deny them that water.
The northeast can’t even begin to feed itself with its population. So where does that leave us? We have massive population centers thirsty and hungry. They aren’t going to sit on their hands and starve or dehydrate.
So splitting will simply result in the same violence that we thought we were avoiding. I believe there is absolutely no reason to cede one square foot of land to anyone who doesn’t believe in this country. They don’t believe in the Constitution, a republican form of government, freedom, liberty, or capitalism. They are Americans by birth only, and should be made to find another country to destroy.
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Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:55 pm to troyt37
How about we just jail all liberals and move on unified?
Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:57 pm to troyt37
Splitting some skulls is the answer
This post was edited on 10/24/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:57 pm to troyt37
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splitting will simply result in the same violence that we thought we were avoiding.
I never thought we’d avoid it. But it would result in the left being the ones instigating violence over people wanting to be free.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:59 pm to troyt37
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:13 pm to troyt37
Well something big is on the near horizon. We’re clearly getting to a “pressure point” with censorship, loss of civil liberties, and the government targeting political enemies. This a battle between a pro liberty society and a society that supports tyranny for “safety.”
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:17 pm to troyt37
While I disagree with you that a split isn't necessary, this part is true. In fact, it's a big reason why ideas like global minimum tax are out there. Countries realize that they can only frick their people up the arse if their people have nowhere better to go.
Basically, this is why I laugh at liberals and their complaints about "land doesn't vote". The reality is, yeah, yeah it does. And it damned well should.
You absolutely CANNOT have a NYC without some dudes willing to live in the fricking sticks and work 18 hours a day to ensure you have food.
Now, I'm sure some people will point out that the rural people need the ports and city dwellers too. Which is true.
But rural guy is totally willing to let city guy live however the frick he wants.
City guy is unwilling to return the favor.
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First and most importantly, history tells us that marxists can never allow a competing philosophy of freedom and liberty to exist in close proximity, because at some point even the dumbest will choose freedom and liberty over slavery and totalitarian control. This means that whether there has been a split or not, they want you and your ideas dead, and will do whatever they can to achieve that.
quote:It's worse than that because in terms of land occupied, the vast majority of California isn't even liberal. Only heavily populated enclaves that aren't remotely capable of self-sustainment water or no water.
Secondly, the overwhelming majority of areas that would split off for marxist/socialist greener pastures are not viable as self sustaining regions. Sure, California grows quite a lot of food, but much of it is done with water from what would be the freedom and liberty parts of the country. Much of southern California dries up and blows away without that water. They’ll need to overwhelm and defeat any state or country that would deny them that water.
Basically, this is why I laugh at liberals and their complaints about "land doesn't vote". The reality is, yeah, yeah it does. And it damned well should.
You absolutely CANNOT have a NYC without some dudes willing to live in the fricking sticks and work 18 hours a day to ensure you have food.
Now, I'm sure some people will point out that the rural people need the ports and city dwellers too. Which is true.
But rural guy is totally willing to let city guy live however the frick he wants.
City guy is unwilling to return the favor.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:21 pm to troyt37
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The northeast can’t even begin to feed itself with its population. So where does that leave us? We have massive population centers thirsty and hungry. They aren’t going to sit on their hands and starve or dehydrate.
They buy/trade for the things they need from the people that can supply them. Why is that so hard? If there ever was a national divorce, I wouldn’t predict a lot of acrimony between the two new nations. Trade, travel, and mutual defense would basically remain unchanged.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:24 pm to HonoraryCoonass
quote:I think there's a lot to this initially.
They buy/trade for the things they need from the people that can supply them. Why is that so hard? If there ever was a national divorce, I wouldn’t predict a lot of acrimony between the two new nations. Trade, travel, and mutual defense would basically remain unchanged.
The real question is over time.
If the lefty states go full lefty retard, you are liable to end up with exceptionally unequal neighboring states with people in one trying to get to the other.
We've seen how leftist states in other parts of the world attempted to deal with this problem. Would be interesting to see how it worked out.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:33 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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They buy/trade for the things they need from the people that can supply them. Why is that so hard?
I don’t see it happening on a scale that allows for massive population centers like southern California and New York, but maybe I’m wrong. I also think that these places will be pretty quickly overwhelmed if they implement the kinds of open borders policies they want for you and I.
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I wouldn’t predict a lot of acrimony between the two new nations. Trade, travel, and mutual defense would basically remain unchanged.
You think freedom loving Americans are going to come to the defense of marxist/socialists, and vice versa?
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:35 pm to troyt37
Balkanization is the only answer. If competing ideas work well enough to change public opinion the the experiment failed. If public opinion is against it and they pursue it via over means? You put on your war hat and expand your territory.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:38 pm to troyt37
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I don’t see it happening on a scale that allows for massive population centers like southern California and New York, but maybe I’m wrong. I also think that these places will be pretty quickly overwhelmed if they implement the kinds of open borders policies they want for you and I.
They won't though. They don't REALLY want open borders now. They simply think open borders doesn't really affect them and in fact, probably find it amusing that the bulk of the influx hits conservative states.
Make no mistake. Liberals are NOT gonna "open" up their lily white enclaves. In fact, the liberal areas are likely to end up with borders that more resemble eastern block nations circa 1980 than anything else.
And again, people to remember to stop thinking of this on a state level.
There isn't a single state in the union where the majority of the occupied land is liberal. If we balkanize, none of the liberal states are gonna leave 100% intact.
Instead, you'll see some shifting around. Some of the oddball liberal centers in conservative states would likely see massive out-migration to better safe havens.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:43 pm to troyt37
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Much of southern California dries up and blows away without that water
That's their problem
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The northeast can’t even begin to feed itself with its population.
That's their problem too.
These communist fricks look down on us every damned day. Let them do for themselves. We can take the constitution and amend it as needed to prevent the atrocities of what evil men in power accomplished in the last 150 years.
Once their utopia collapses, we can retake it to comply with the new Constitution.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:50 pm to Cuz413
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These communist fricks look down on us every damned day. Let them do for themselves. We can take the constitution and amend it as needed to prevent the atrocities of what evil men in power accomplished in the last 150 years.
Once their utopia collapses, we can retake it to comply with the new Constitution.
I don’t disagree, what I’m saying is that they have enough population to push for conquest of the needed resources. So why let them have southern California in the first place, if we are going to have to fight them to keep them from trying to take Nevada or Arizona, or Idaho?
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:59 pm to troyt37
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to push for conquest of the needed resources
Liberals are war-averse. Actually, all Americans are, but liberals are especially war-averse. Look how they constantly cried over the suffering our troops brought to the Iraqis and Syrians and afghans. Americans certainly don’t have the stomach to pick up arms and go kill Cousin Willie and Aunt Edna.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 3:01 pm to troyt37
Why is everyone so angry? Is it because Trump lost the election?
It damn sure ain’t lack of food. Everywhere I go people are fat. Plenty of jobs every where. It’s all so weird to me. We live in a very prosperous nation with an abundance of wealth.
We’ve enjoyed a peaceful transition of power for hundreds of years until 2020. Everyone knew Trump would never concede. That’s just not how he works. Zero surprise there.
We vote for president every four years. You win some you lose some. You lick your chops and try to win on ideas, not a persona.
It damn sure ain’t lack of food. Everywhere I go people are fat. Plenty of jobs every where. It’s all so weird to me. We live in a very prosperous nation with an abundance of wealth.
We’ve enjoyed a peaceful transition of power for hundreds of years until 2020. Everyone knew Trump would never concede. That’s just not how he works. Zero surprise there.
We vote for president every four years. You win some you lose some. You lick your chops and try to win on ideas, not a persona.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 3:02 pm to Gifman
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Well something big is on the near horizon. We’re clearly getting to a “pressure point” with censorship, loss of civil liberties, and the government targeting political enemies. This a battle between a pro liberty society and a society that supports tyranny for “safety.”
These arguments against some form of political separation by Repubes invariably are made by those who aren’t opposed in theory to the Deep State — they simply want their side in charge. For lack of a better term, this often comes from the Pompeo wing of the Imperial Deep State.
This is why a vote in this UniParty® charade is ultimately a vote for the left or right wing of the Deep State. Both political parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus.
If Liberty is to continue in this once great nation, it will be sustained by subsidiary, nullification and even secession movements in the individual states. To what degree those movements develop is open to debate.
What is not debatable is that the present trajectory is unsustainable. Either we forsake Empire or we will be doomed to live in slavery.
The current crisis continues until enough supporters of limited government come to this inescapable conclusion. It is what it is.
“However strong a Government may be, it cannot easily escape from the consequences of a principle which it has once admitted as the foundation of its Constitution. The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the states; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the states chooses to withdraw from the compact, it would be difficult to disapprove its right of doing so, and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly either by force or right.”Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.
This post was edited on 10/24/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/24/21 at 3:14 pm to redneck hippie
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Why is everyone so angry?
Gee, I just can’t understand it myself. It really is such a big mystery.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 3:17 pm to troyt37
The moment Washington, Oregon and California split off from the US, they will invite in the Chinese army. No more ocean between us and 1.4 billion Chinese. And they will start settling people on the west coast and take it over because they want land and food. Then they will start pushing east.
Under no circumstances can the US be split into small little countries.
Under no circumstances can the US be split into small little countries.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 3:20 pm to skrolnick
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War is the only answer at this point.
Why?
First, you have to secure the elections.
That is the most important thing. And many states went about doing this.
And in states that can't secure the elections, in reality they are left already.
The first step in securing the elections is limiting mail in voting.
Second is requiring some form of ID.
And that is it.
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