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re: Speaker Johnson's Men's Comments Today
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:13 am to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:13 am to DownSouthJukin
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Are you a woman? Is your name Karen? Do you have a grown son that lives with you that plays the vidya games?
Hank Hill couldn’t have said visual games better. Well played, Sir. Well played
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Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:16 am to TigerSharkMan
quote:This is creative and productive.
Would you say the same thing if a man spent 4 - 5 hours a night working on his car?
quote:No one does any of those daily... but, even so, there is a societal impact here absent with gaming.
Or 4 - 5 hours a night playing golf or tennis or going to a bowling league?
quote:No one exercises 4-5hrs a night, but even so this is personal improvement and has the capacity to be social as well.
Or 4 - 5 hours a night exercising?
quote:Social
Or 4 - 5 hours a night hanging out with the guys playing cards?
quote:Can be done around/with family.
Or 4 - 5 hours a night watching tv or reading?
quote:And no one spends 4-5hrs every weeknight on any of those things. If he took that time away from his family regularly, yes, it would be detrimental.
All of those would do the same thing, take the man away from his family.
Gaming WITH family isn't the same as "gaming"... gaming with family is different and not antisocial.
Men that choose to Go Their Own Way and forfeit starting a family is fine. If that's what they want to do. Again, Johnson is likely speaking to those young men who desire more but are floundering personally.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:20 am to TigerSharkMan
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I had to accept I would have to settle or just accept being single. MGTOW helped me with accepting the fact I'll be single the rest of my life.
You don't have to be single. I know settling is a dirty word... but finding a mate that you can grow with and accept human imperfection isn't settling, necessarily.
Anywho... I understand more of where you're coming from- and I understand why. Society hasn't been good to, approving or appreciative of men and their contributions and that sucks. Doesn’t mean all women fit into those soul sucking categories though... and that worldview completely leaves out Faith and God.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:23 am to TigerSharkMan
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Sorry but if men and women are truly "equal", then they shouldn't be protected from being called out.
I agree... maybe he feels it is a woman's duty to call out other women.
I think you may be missing an intrinsic part of this puzzle where Johnson is concerned... he is a man of Faith- and in Faith tradition it falls to men to lead and mentor younger men and likewise women to do the same for younger women.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:26 am to SallysHuman
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You don't have to be single. I know settling is a dirty word... but finding a mate that you can grow with and accept human imperfection isn't settling, necessarily.
Anywho... I understand more of where you're coming from- and I understand why. Society hasn't been good to, approving or appreciative of men and their contributions and that sucks. Doesn’t mean all women fit into those soul sucking categories though... and that worldview completely leaves out Faith and God.
I'll admit, being rejected by a lot of women, and being ignored by most women, broke me over the years. MGTOW, ironically, saved me from just flat out hating all women. It gave clarity that the modern dating game is largely rigged and if you aren't the top 20%, you'll either be single or have to settle.
MGTOW as a philosophy is actually good. I do hate that most MGTOW communities have been taken over by Incels. I used to post on a MGTOW board years ago before the Incels took over. Most people refuse to acknowledge this, but being MGTOW and being an Incel are totally different. For Incels, women is all they care about, they obsess over them. They are largely the ones who support violence against women. Unlike MGTOW, there is no emphasis on self improvement or living with yourself and women are not focused on much at all.
For me I could probably find a woman, but at my age (41), I really don't want kids. That severely limits the dating pool. I've largely become okay never being married. At this point in my life, giving up my freedom and autonomy would be difficult. And I just don't see myself finding a woman that I would love enough to be willing to give up that freedom and autonomy. That doesn't make me a terrible man, like what Mike Johnson would like us to believe. And yes, being single does make me lonely at times. But I know many men who are in marriages are just as lonely.
Back to the point, someone needs to remind Mike Johnson that ripping on young men isn't going to make them want to live more traditional lifestyles. If anything, Mike Johnson ripping on young men is more of the same. Blame men for all problems in society. That will only make men check out of society even more, at least IMO.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:29 am to SallysHuman
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I agree... maybe he feels it is a woman's duty to call out other women.
I think you may be missing an intrinsic part of this puzzle where Johnson is concerned... he is a man of Faith- and in Faith tradition it falls to men to lead and mentor younger men and likewise women to do the same for younger women.
I understand that, but we know women aren't going to call out other women. Someone has to though, and he's third in line to the Presidency. He is held to a higher standard, and he should have enough confidence in his message to call out women when necessary.
I know Johnson is a man of faith. But he's not doing a sermon at Sunday service. He is speaking to many Americans of many different faiths, and many Americans who are atheist. He needs to learn to tailor the message to the audience. Read the room essentially.
Again, there was no reason to call out either gender. It should've just been "able bodied Americans need to work, not be on government assistance." That's all he needed to say.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:39 am to TigerSharkMan
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Most people refuse to acknowledge this, but being MGTOW and being an Incel are totally different.
I am actually familiar with the MGTOW movement... prior to the incel invasion. I get the differences, but there are also similarities.
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That doesn't make me a terrible man, like what Mike Johnson would like us to believe.
I don't think a bachelor is a bad man and I doubt Johnson thinks so either- again, he was likely speaking to younger men that might actually have that desire and yearning for family and community.
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Back to the point, someone needs to remind Mike Johnson that ripping on young men isn't going to make them want to live more traditional lifestyles. If anything, Mike Johnson ripping on young men is more of the same. Blame men for all problems in society. That will only make men check out of society even more, at least IMO.
I agree there should be balance in speaking to young men, especially after at least a decade or more of putting them down and blaming them for everything. I have a son... seeing all the Girl Power! shite over the years that was exclusionary to meeting the needs of all young children really bothered me. After so many years of being "otherized", bitching at boys isn't going to help anything.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:47 am to TigerSharkMan
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I understand that, but we know women aren't going to call out other women.
Ima stop you right there... I've raised a girl. She's 25, married with kids and lives her life right. You're generalizing women in much the same way you find distasteful that you feel Johnson is generalizing men.
Yes, we need more women with a platform mentoring and guiding young women- you may not see the ones that are there- but I do, they exist. More would be lovely, but it isn't nonexistent.
On one hand you want women called out- either by men in power or by other women... and on the other you are taking offense that a man didn't call out the sexes equally or gender neutrally. Your logic isn't consistent.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:53 am to SallysHuman
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I am actually familiar with the MGTOW movement... prior to the incel invasion. I get the differences, but there are also similarities.
Yes there are similarities, but not as much as people think. The main difference is that MGTOW are typically disillusioned or broken by women. Whereas Incels just flat out hate women. Obviously the later is typically more dangerous.
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I agree there should be balance in speaking to young men, especially after at least a decade or more of putting them down and blaming them for everything. I have a son... seeing all the Girl Power! shite over the years that was exclusionary to meeting the needs of all young children really bothered me. After so many years of being "otherized", bitching at boys isn't going to help anything.
I like to use education as a good example here. Women are now utterly destroying Men at all levels of education outside of trade schools. While I think many college degrees aren't particularly worthwhile, a college degree still means something on a resume. Let's reverse this. If Men were utterly destroying Women at all levels of education, it would be considered a national crisis and would be getting attention from all the national groups and national media. But because it's men, it's ignored and sometimes even celebrated.
That's what people like Mike Johnson don't seem to get. Men have been ignored and "otherized" for a long time now. I would honestly say closer to 20 years. Our education system is completely geared towards girls. Boys now are just put on medication to partially sedate them. And for the last 20 years, girls have largely only received positive reinforcement (Such as "Girl Power!", "You can have everything!", "Destroy the patriarchy.", "I am woman, here me roar!"). Meanwhile, boys like your son have largely only received negative reinforcement (Such as "Toxic Masculinity", "Check Your Privilege","We don't need men anymore" and countless others). We are now seeing the results of that consistent negative reinforcement.
I'm glad we are mostly on the same page. I wish I had more answers. But I know this, it's time for our men and boys to get some positive reinforcement. It's bad enough that most women and Democrats only criticize and degrade men. The last thing men need is for Republicans to do the same thing. Men and boys need someone on their side for a change. That's what Mike Johnson needs to realize.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 1:03 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 12:59 am to SallysHuman
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Ima stop you right there... I've raised a girl. She's 25, married with kids and lives her life right. You're generalizing women in much the same way you find distasteful that you feel Johnson is generalizing men.
Yes, we need more women with a platform mentoring and guiding young women- you may not see the ones that are there- but I do, they exist. More would be lovely, but it isn't nonexistent.
On one hand you want women called out- either by men in power or by other women... and on the other you are taking offense that a man didn't call out the sexes equally or gender neutrally. Your logic isn't consistent.
What I'm saying is that both sexes should've been called out, not just men. And since women, by and large (yes there are exceptions, like your daughter, I don't deny that at all), won't call out other women, then someone, even if it's a man, needs to.
Technically, it should be women who are called out, as they are far more likely to be on government assistance. But again, I know that's not going to happen and wouldn't be helpful in any way, so all I'm asking is both sexes are called out. I think my logic is pretty consistent here.
Let me ask you this. Just today Mike Johnson, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representative, 2nd in line to the Presidency, just called out a huge group of men. Men, the group that has consistently been beaten down for about 20 years now, called out again. Blamed for every problem again.
Now let me ask you this. Tell me the last time any woman anywhere near the level of Mike Johnson, has ever called out women as a whole or a huge group of women like Mike Johnson just did today. I'm not saying it's never happened, but I honestly can't remember ever hearing a woman in power truly calling out their fellow women over anything. That's why I say women don't call out other women like men will call out other men. I'm not saying it never happens, but in general women in power never call out women.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 1:02 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:12 am to TigerSharkMan
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I'm not saying it never happens, but in general women in power never call out women.
Women in power tend to play lip service to girl power yet distance themselves from women, if that makes sense.
Allie Beth Stuckie, Erika Kirk are two women I can think of that lead by example and are exemplar mentors... I can't think of any strictly secular women that do the same with a positive message.
Kamala didn't do it, neither did Pelosi. MTG isn't the best example... but there ARE women out there attempting to train up young women.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:13 am to TigerSharkMan
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But he seemed to lump all gamers into being a bunch of losers on government assistance.
You took it to mean that. The people who he was talking about know who he is talking about.
Do you have a job, handle your responsibilities and happen to game?
If yes then the message wasn't for you. Don't take it personally.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:54 am to TigerSharkMan
Point one:
Point two:
Somewhere in this thread we lost the premise of his context. He said an actual study showed that the aforementioned men spent a lot of their time playing video games instead of looking for work.
Point three:
He was trying to make an example of the fraud in welfare and part of the solution in the bbb was to have able bodied people work. I guess some would prefer he point out the glaring problem, single moms shatting out half a dozen kids while not even attempting to get work
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Yes, youth male unemployment has risen in the US, with a particular increase for those with college degrees, as the labor market shifts toward female-dominated fields and away from male-dominated ones like tech and manufacturing. Young men are also experiencing a decline in labor force participation, with a significant number of them no longer looking for work.
Point two:
Somewhere in this thread we lost the premise of his context. He said an actual study showed that the aforementioned men spent a lot of their time playing video games instead of looking for work.
Point three:
He was trying to make an example of the fraud in welfare and part of the solution in the bbb was to have able bodied people work. I guess some would prefer he point out the glaring problem, single moms shatting out half a dozen kids while not even attempting to get work
Posted on 10/7/25 at 5:44 am to TigerSharkMan
That is the typical reaction i'd expect from MEN (not boys) who stay at home and play video games instead of working a blue collar job. Someone calls them out and they just raise the middle finger and hide, building up anger towards the people who don't coddle them.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:27 am to TigerSharkMan
quote:Hold on there.
First of all, very few women under 40 are marriage material in any way. Most of them are really screwed up.
I don’t know what this MGTOW stuff is, but if it endorses ideas like this it’s fricked up.
I know it may seem useless to you right now, but don’t worry, there is someone out there for everyone.
You’ll find someone eventually, settle down and have a family, then all these deranged ideas you have will fade into remote memory and you’ll finally get some self esteem and have a good chance at happiness.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:34 am to TigerSharkMan
He said it, too. Both are exactly right!!
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 6:53 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:48 am to TigerSharkMan
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Why single out men then?
I’m sure he’s made other statements in his career that single out women. He’s right. Stop being incel pussies. I promise you that the real, masculine men are not having problems finding suitable women.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:50 am to TigerSharkMan
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Does anyone else think I'm overreacting to those comments?
Umm yes I’m sure a lot of us are thinking that
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:52 am to TigerSharkMan
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And out of touch comments like this is why Charlie Kirk was so needed. He actually knew how to talk to young men.
Charlie Kirk on young men playing video games - WARNING, OP, this will not go well for you
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:58 am to TigerSharkMan
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And as an older millennial, I absolutely know many men who work hard and support themselves. But yes, in their off time, they will spend at least 4 - 5 hours a night playing video games. It's how they relax, have fun and decompress.
That is anti-social behavior. If a man has a job then he only has about six hours per day to do everything else that needs doing, and your guy is spending at least four hours gaming? When does he have time to have a real life? What about his relationship with others? Anyone who is spending four hours a day being mindlessly entertained - video games, watching sports, watching movies and shows - is pissing away his life.
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