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re: Southern Baptist ban on women pastors fails in historic vote
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Interesting tactic in using the Old Testament to dispute the New Testament.
It's not meant to be a tactic, honestly. I'm trying to find the logical consistency of God utilizing women to educate men in the old testament while Paul saying it's disgraceful for women to do so in the new.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:12 pm to JiminyCricket
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Is it permissible if she teaches without ordination?
I've known woman teachers all my life. None were ever ordained to have leadership roles over the congregation
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:42 pm to JiminyCricket
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If scripture forbids women teaching men, explain why God used a woman in 2 chronicles to teach a prophecy he gave her to a male king.
I'll try to respond to some of the other issues later if time permits but for now, what NT church did this take place in?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:48 pm to Seldom Seen
As a kid raised in the Southern Baptist church and occasionally went to Catholic mass with a friend I had no idea there were female pastors in the early 2000’s. This changed in college when I was dating a Methodist girl and went to church with her I whispered who’s your lady in the front. She looked at me crazy and said the preacher. I was mind blown.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:50 pm to JiminyCricket
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I'm trying to find the logical consistency of God utilizing women to educate men in the old testament while Paul saying it's disgraceful for women to do so in the new.
It's almost as if this stuff is made up.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:56 pm to JiminyCricket
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Answer this, why did God choose a woman in 2 chronicles to prophesy and teach King Josiah?
To make a point. Thats why this happened rarely. If it were God's will for men and women to have equal role in ministry, He would have chosen 6 female disciples and 6 male disciples.
And your smug laughy face emojis...dont change the fact that you are an wordly feminist
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:02 pm to JiminyCricket
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I'm trying to find the logical consistency of God utilizing women to educate men in the old testament while Paul saying it's disgraceful for women to do so in the new.
You arent God, and couldnt comprehend His mind and will. Neither can I. Thats why he sent men like Paul. You are angry at God it seems for not including women because you are a man(or maybe woman) wrapped up in the lies of the world. Do what you want to. Pretend that women preachers are ok. You can find plenty of churches that do that. Gaslight yourself because im following the divinely inspired words of Paul...not feminist contrarian man on the internet.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:07 pm to scottydoesntknow
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To make a point.
God wouldn’t do something immoral just to make a point.
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And your smug laughy face emojis...dont change the fact that you are an wordly feminist
That’s quite judgy of you. You don’t know me, my story or any other portions of my faith and yet you see fit to label me. How very Christian of you.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:08 pm to Seldom Seen
These ladies clearly appreciate potluck fellowship
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:09 pm to scottydoesntknow
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You are angry at God it seems for not including women because you are a man(or maybe woman) wrapped up in the lies of the world. Do what you want to. Pretend that women preachers are ok. You can find plenty of churches that do that. Gaslight yourself because im following the divinely inspired words of Paul...not feminist contrarian man on the internet.
I’m not angry at god at all. You sure seem to be attacking me quite a bit for someone who follows Jesus. You clearly know very little of me at all and I laughed because if you did, you’d find it equally comical that I would be referred to as a feminist. I’ve said multiple times what my faith is and where it stands. You’re the one attacking someone who according to Jesus is your brother. We could’ve left it at “well we disagree on this issue, but we agree on the divinity of Christ so perhaps we just leave secondary issues secondary” but instead, you chose to introduce insults and judgment on me. Is that very Christlike?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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It's almost as if this stuff is made up.
I don’t believe it to be made up at all. I believe that people have different opinions on the role of women but in my interpretation, 1 Timothy and 2 chronicles don’t have to be contradictory.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:17 pm to JiminyCricket
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quote:To make a point. God wouldn’t do something immoral just to make a point.
You dont get to determine what is immoral, God does. God isnt bound by human logical rules. Was flooding an entire world and killing an entire population immoral? Was torching two cities immoral? Was telling a man to sacrifice his daughter immoral? Was telling the Israelites to genocide a population immoral?
God is God, not you, not me. We have His Word and we have to trust that His will is sovereign and good. The real question you need to search out your heart on is do you really believe in God? If so, you cant put God in your box. I am 100% guilty of the same thing at times. I try to listen though when people correct me.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:22 pm to JiminyCricket
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I’m not angry at god at all. You sure seem to be attacking me quite a bit for someone who follows Jesus.
I do get angry when people mislead others on scripture and I do take it personally. There are many things on this board I want to comment on, but hold my tongue...this is not one of them. Weve seen the fruits of people that think like you running the churches and its not good. Its weak churches that arent a salt to the world. Thats why the society is degrading into debauchery
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:22 pm to scottydoesntknow
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You dont get to determine what is immoral
Not even kidding or being a jerk but, did you actually read the thread?
I didn’t say it was wrong for a woman to teach, Paul did. All I did was use scripture to understand scripture. If Paul says it’s wrong for women to teach and yet God used a woman to teach, that means Paul’s point must’ve been contextual and not universal because God cannot contradict himself. Why would he reveal to Paul to universally forbid women teaching when he himself used women to teach? God doesn’t change. Your anger and over zealousness has caused you to attack me on points I haven’t made.
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The real question you need to search out your heart on is do you really believe in God? If so, you cant put God in your box.
Dude, if you only knew me, you’d realize how asinine that question is. You’ve been extremely judgmental here.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:24 pm to scottydoesntknow
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do get angry when people mislead others on scripture and I do take it personally. There are many things on this board I want to comment on, but hold my tongue...this is not one of them. Weve seen the fruits of people that think like you running the churches and its not good. Its weak churches that arent a salt to the world. Thats why the society is degrading into debauchery
What is more misleading to the gospel message?
Me saying I feel the female teacher thing is debatable but it doesn’t change God, Jesus or his character or you justifying your actions and anger instead of owning that you spoke in a judgmental manner?
You’ve attacked me in a manner that isn’t remotely Christlike and even worse, you’ve tried to justify it.
What is central doctrine? Christ is. His divinity. His goodness. His resurrection. Our offer of salvation. I haven’t wavered on any part of that and yet you’re accusing me of leading people away from him. The fact that you’re laying the sin of the modern American church at my feet is absurd.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:34 pm to JiminyCricket
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Why would he reveal to Paul to universally forbid women teaching when he himself used women to teach?
Because He did. Its not a hard concept. Why does God do something...because He Is and He Does
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God doesn’t change.
Paul isnt an example of God changing. Its an example of your limited ability to understand God...something you share with literally every other human being.
If you want to be logical...why would God for over 2000 years, allow His Church to prevent women from teaching in church...and only in modern times correct the Church? Why has this correction only resulted in less Christian influence and more cultural rot?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:35 pm to JiminyCricket
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I just don't think it's a sin or wrong for a woman who is teaching a sound message to teach a sunday school class.
I don't think it is written in the law. I don't recall it being part of the law.
If it is not, then it is not sin.
What Paul wrote was not law, but wisdom.
But a son say's this....Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:39 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Because He did. Its not a hard concept. Why does God do something...because He Is and He Does
That’s an insufficient answer. God contradicted himself just because? My god doesn’t change and his ways are always good.
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Paul isnt an example of God changing. Its an example of your limited ability to understand God...something you share with literally every other human being. If you want to be logical...why would God for over 2000 years, allow His Church to prevent women from teaching in church...and only in modern times correct the Church? Why has this correction only resulted in less Christian influence and more cultural rot?
You’re dancing around it because you don’t want to admit that Paul’s advice to Corinth wasn’t law and is based on his wisdom for that church at that time. It wasn’t and isn’t a sin for a woman to teach.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:40 pm to JiminyCricket
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Dude, if you only knew me, you’d realize how asinine that question is. You’ve been extremely judgmental here.
I dont know you, all I can see is your arguments. You share the same arguments with some pretty vile people with warped minds. Yes im being judgemental. You claim to be a believer, and im going to correct another believer when he is wrong.
There are fringe things we can debate like where we are in the timeline post or pre millennial etc. This is not up for debate. Paul was very clear.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:41 pm to JiminyCricket
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Paul’s advice to Corinth wasn’t law and is based on his wisdom for that church at that time
You're kind of just making this up, aren't you?
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