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re: Something was happening around ivermectin, and Big Pharma’s fingerprints were all over it

Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:01 am to
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
7922 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:01 am to
As I recall, the studies on ivermectin and HCQ were such that if they were administered after patients were already hospitalized with breathing problems, they were ineffective. If administered early in the disease, they worked. Like steroids.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23793 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:04 am to
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Knew an elderly person in the hospital a month ago with covid. He died. Ivermectin was not part of the treatment. Do you truly believe if ivermectin would STOP covid, that they wouldn’t be giving patients about to die today?


You have too much faith in the federal government. Money decides what happens in DC. Big Pharma has major influence over FDA and CDC. The government told us Ivermectin wasn't safe to use because they were pushing the vaccine(which we now know Pharma removed the negative results from what little testing was performed) but people that did use it (if used early enough) had positive results.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
23173 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:06 am to
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Vitamin D is interesting.


After my family recovered from Covid we found a new doctor. He advised us to get our vitamin D levels tested. We were all low. We started taking supplements along with a few others to boost immunity. It works quite well. None of us have been sick since July 2021.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182380 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:10 am to
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Horse dewormer?


Greg bites on the MSM narrative hook, line, and sinker

I hate dishonest people like. Deworming animals is not the original intent of the drug but it is so amazing at treating a variety of parasitic infections that this is just one of its uses.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:12 am to
it saved lives even administered later

why did hospitals refuse to administer it?

they knew, and lied, (about full hospitals, too)

What else did they lie to you about? What are they still supressing?

wrongful death lawsuits!!



Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
18028 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:25 am to
You just showed how ignorant you are by posting this, you either haven’t been paying attention or just ignorant I’m guessing ignorant
Posted by Rawdawgs
Member since Dec 2007
910 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:28 am to
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Greg bites on the MSM narrative hook, line, and sinker


The evil people who got rich promoting this deadly scam depend on morons like Greg to help them. He doesn't know shite about shite but he gets to act like he is in the club.
Posted by ruzil
WNC
Member since Feb 2012
18380 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:29 am to
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with covid


with covid, not of covid?

The time to use ivermectin is within 5 days of start of symptoms, not when they are circling the drain in ICU.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:33 am to
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Not only that.... the fact is that you cannot be granted Emergency Use Authorization for the vaccine if a treatment exists.


This isn’t completely correct. Monoclonal antibody infusions were effective against Covid. They didn’t prevent vaccines being approved. MABs were far more effective than the vaccine at preventing hospitalization and death. They still rolled out the vaccine.

The outcome was predetermined. A vaccine was going to be produced and we were going to pay for it.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 7:35 am
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38357 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:40 am to
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RFK explained this. They couldn’t rush through a vaccine if there was a treatment for it


Actually, he said "emergency use" if there was already a viable alternative.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23793 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:18 am to
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why did hospitals refuse to administer it?

they knew, and lied, (about full hospitals, too)


I think that was one of the biggest lies pushed by MSM. I would hear and read reports outside of MSM that showed and reported hospitals were not anywhere near as overrun as being reported by MSM. In my area they weren't full.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47138 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:24 am to

This should be news to no one,
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
24840 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:28 am to
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Do you truly believe if ivermectin would STOP covid, that they wouldn’t be giving patients about to die today?


I truly believe that Ivermectin is an effective treatment in many or most CV-19 cases.

I also believe most doctors have a strong herd mentality when it comes to treating disease and if the powers that be (CDC, NIH, etc) say “don’t use X because X is bad” most doctors won’t.

That’s what happened with Ivermectin. It is shown to be effective, it has saved lives, it does work but for many doctors the noise around it from the powerful voices, noise fueled by money, is too strong.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138920 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:36 am to
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"In other words, if HCQ or ivermectin had been recognized as a viable treatment, the massive cash cow that was the global Covid-19 vaccine cam­paign would have been slaughtered on the spot."
Viable treatment is weasel terminology. Neither Ivermectin nor HCQ were/are a cure. Nor were they ever credibly asserted as such. There was some thought they could possibly be helpful adjuncts in infection prevention and recovery. Promotions to the contrary are 100% quackery.

HOWEVER, those meds should have been made widely available, and studied as they were disseminated. Why?
(1) In 2020 there was data indicating possible benefits.
(2) There was data indicating safe-use.
(3) Both Ivm and HCQ were very inexpensive.
(4) There was no pharmacologic alternative. So there was no real downside in trying ivermectin, and
(5) With migration by some to dangerous veterinary preparations, there was an obvious downside to restriction of human formulation.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 8:38 am
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1862 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:40 am to
Boy the TV has you sucked in. You still wearing a mask and think your government cars about you? Sad, sad, sad.

BTW, Greg wants his name back, you are far from worthy.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15751 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:50 am to
I had covid, did nothing, mildest flu symptoms ever and over in 3 days.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23096 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:59 am to
I take Ivermectin once a month. I drink a comfrey root and gelatin tea daily.



Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:18 am to
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quote:
Not only that.... the fact is that you cannot be granted Emergency Use Authorization for the vaccine if a treatment exists.


This isn’t completely correct. Monoclonal antibody infusions were effective against Covid. They didn’t prevent vaccines being approved. MABs were far more effective than the vaccine at preventing hospitalization and death. They still rolled out the vaccine.

The outcome was predetermined. A vaccine was going to be produced and we were going to pay for it.


I may have left out the part that if there is a treatment READILY AVAILABLE you can't get EUA. I don't think monoclonal antibody treatment was readily available--it was very hard to get and restricted to certain populations.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:22 am to
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1) In 2020 there was data indicating possible benefits. (2) There was data indicating safe-use.


This! There was literally NO DOWNSIDE! At worst someone taking it might get a little GI discomfort but would also rid themselves of some unwanted parasites. People should probably take some kind of parasite cleanse once every couple of years any way.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:29 am to
horse paste applied directly will kill warts, too

I have the clearest skin I ever had, using it topically

after a couple years of taking it, my colitis problems subsided significantly, and I feel better than I have in 10 years

the actual stuff from tractor supply
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