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re: Someone help me with context. I'm struggling with this one.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:30 pm to Lynxrufus2012
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:30 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s.
When a government no longer rules in accordance with Or against God, then your verse does not apply. Many kingdoms opposed to God’s word have fallen.
wut Are you saying Caesar was "ruling in accordance with God" when the verse was spoken?
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:31 pm to OWLFAN86
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Yeah but I'm gonna let the board figure it out since when I point what really is in things like the Constitution or the Bible
it just gets downvotes
Man, you do you. frick the down votes. All you can do is speak the truth as you see it.
Maybe it's right, maybe it's not, but it's what YOU believe in your heart.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:31 pm to Perfect Circle
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those who rule now
Apparently at that time the author viewed the then current government as righteous.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:36 pm to lake chuck fan
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Man, you do you. frick the down votes. All you can do is speak the truth as you see it.
Maybe it's right, maybe it's not, but it's what YOU believe in your heart.
Thank you but the downvotes don't discourage me
Because even when and I'm willing to Admit because of the stroke my communication efforts may be unique
When I'm quoting or referencing the Constitution or the Bible
I'm not misquoting or mis-referencing either
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:36 pm to Perfect Circle
It’s basically saying God doesn’t want his people to be lawless degenerates making Christianity look bad. It does NOT say you must follow sinful government commands or rules. Your supreme allegiance is to God not government. Example being the apostles preaching the Gospel even though the Roman authorities told them not to. Basically a render unto ceasar type verse
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:36 pm to OWLFAN86
Fixed!
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:38 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:Why?
Someone help me with context.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:39 pm to Perfect Circle
Romans 13:1-7
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."
Our government is a satanic government not a government established by God
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."
Our government is a satanic government not a government established by God
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:39 pm to Perfect Circle
This is the whole “Devine right of Kings” nonsense that royalty used to rule over people in the name God centuries ago.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:42 pm to Perfect Circle
Read the entire chapter. It talks about a good government that punishes evil and upholds good. We aren’t instructed to follow an evil leader that gives instruction against God.
Look at Daniel, John the Baptist, the mother of Moses, etc. who all refused to follow the example and edicts of evil kings and governments.
Look at Daniel, John the Baptist, the mother of Moses, etc. who all refused to follow the example and edicts of evil kings and governments.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:45 pm to Perfect Circle
As other people or have said are going to say it is an instruction for God's people to live in the authority of their government under the laws of their government
But in America as designed with Biblical Authority in mind
The Founding Fathers. authors of the Federalist Papers the Constitution were well read,
Thry knew what the Bible said about government in its relationship with its citizens and vice versa
They set up a Republic with a constitution
the Constitution is the authority that has been placed over us not necessarily the personalities that serve in a government role
That's why when military or elected people take the oath of office they swear on the Bible to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic
But they're not swearing allegiance to the government they're swearing allegiance to the Constitution
But in America as designed with Biblical Authority in mind
The Founding Fathers. authors of the Federalist Papers the Constitution were well read,
Thry knew what the Bible said about government in its relationship with its citizens and vice versa
They set up a Republic with a constitution
the Constitution is the authority that has been placed over us not necessarily the personalities that serve in a government role
That's why when military or elected people take the oath of office they swear on the Bible to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic
But they're not swearing allegiance to the government they're swearing allegiance to the Constitution
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:47 pm to Perfect Circle
What if two governments fight each other? Is God fighting against himself?
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:47 pm to Perfect Circle
This applies to biblical rulers, Godly men have a responsibility to civilly disobey a government that goes against God.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:59 pm to LSURussian
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Why?
Literally, it reads like nothing happens that isn't God's will, and all governments exist because it is God's will. Therefore, rebellion or disobedience against the government is disobedience to God.
That's where I'm struggling. Thought I would seek others for proper context, as I'm not as well versed in the Word as others on this board.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:00 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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When a government no longer rules in accordance with Or against God, then your verse does not apply.
I don't disagree in principle but is this biblical? Seems like it would state that pretty clearly in that verse but is it somewhere else in The Bible or is that just your interpretation/assumption.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:04 pm to JesusSaves777
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It’s basically saying God doesn’t want his people to be lawless degenerates making Christianity look bad. It does NOT say you must follow sinful government commands or rules. Your supreme allegiance is to God not government.
It doesn't stipulate either way, thus the issue. You're making your own interpretation (which I agree is what makes sense) but it doesn't say that specifically.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:05 pm to OWLFAN86
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Thank you but the downvotes don't discourage me
Because even when and I'm willing to Admit because of the stroke my communication efforts may be unique
When I'm quoting or referencing the Constitution or the Bible
I'm not misquoting or mis-referencing either
I'm not the most moral person, but I know who my God is and regardless of my shortcomings, He is still Lord over all! I'm with you on this!
(not that means much, just wanted to say that)
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:07 pm to Perfect Circle
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Literally, it reads like nothing happens that isn't God's will, and all governments exist because it is God's will. Therefore, rebellion or disobedience against the government is disobedience to God.
That's where I'm struggling. Thought I would seek others for proper context, as I'm not as well versed in the Word as others on this board.
ok if sincere
Acts 5:29,
Peter and the apostles decided that they "must obey God rather than men,"
in refusing to follow the orders of the Jewish authorities who had commanded them to stop gathering people to Jesus, thus choose to disobey the human authority Jewish leaders and Roman Govt in favor of Christs call to share the good news.
So the Bible if read as complete
does tell us to obey the law and submit to the authorities that he has put in charge of us but the Bible also tells us when the Govt is violation of Gods word to stand in Gods word
But the Apostles had a direct command from Jesus Christ this wasn't them interpreting something this was a direct commandment from Christ to these individuals to act accordingly
does that make sense,, I have more but Im assuming your questions are sincere and this is a conversation/dialouge
Forgive me I'm it's a little harder to have these on a message board with other people interrupting so be patient with me
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:09 pm to lake chuck fan
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:09 pm to Perfect Circle
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Literally, it reads like nothing happens that isn't God's will, and all governments exist because it is God's will. Therefore, rebellion or disobedience against the government is disobedience to God
Your right. Nothing happens that God does not allow. This is where our humility comes into play.
The most important thing to know is that there is a God, and we ain't Him.
We aren't meant to know or understand everything that happens, that myth is pushed by the progressive left. This is why faith is so important. Faith is the currency by which God operates. If folks choose not to believe or follow this, it changes nothing. We are to bend to God's will, not the other way around.
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