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re: Some thoughts on IQ
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:01 am to OceanMan
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:01 am to OceanMan
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Does anyone know their IQ? Seems like we are constantly just estimating each other’s IQ but does anyone actually test out
I know what mine tested at as a kid and in high school but haven't taken a test in 25 years. Due to age it's probably slightly lower (high school was slightly lower than grade school, FWIW)
One thing that super high IQ people love to do is take IQ tests. Anytime you read a bio on one of those 170+ guys (note : not me) taking IQ tests is almost always a hobby. It's probably for the reason why you asked.
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Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
I’ve never been tested and I feel like every time I go down this road of considering testing, discovering how to take legitimate IQ test is a test in and of itself. That is, it would only be an estimate that doesn’t appear standardized. Therefore the score of one test may be somewhat arbitrary.
All that said, arguing over 5-10 IQ points seems somewhat arbitrary and not very useful.
All that said, arguing over 5-10 IQ points seems somewhat arbitrary and not very useful.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:22 am to anc
here's my thoughts on IQ everyone i've ever met that thought it could measured and was important, was dumb as schit, and if it cost a nickle to schit would have to throw up. here in merica n' such we have this stuff called money and that's how we measure success, the more you have the smarter you are!
This post was edited on 8/2/25 at 9:25 am
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:29 am to OceanMan
The only real IQ tests are ones administered by psychologists. That's what I had as a youth (to get into Gifted. I was in private school 1st and 2nd grade so they didn't do testing like the public school system).
I'll admit the high school one was not that. I was taking a ton of them and it was a written test (not the online ones, but I had taken a ton of those too) and I could tell it was a somewhat legit quality.
I'll admit the high school one was not that. I was taking a ton of them and it was a written test (not the online ones, but I had taken a ton of those too) and I could tell it was a somewhat legit quality.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:37 am to Azkiger
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The overall preponderance of evidence doesn't support that. IQ tests don't test your ability to memorize or even solve problems. It tests pattern recognition. It's not something you can study for.
Post your journal study sources, I've posted a number thay says it can.
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While there are small variations in individual adult test scores, and "warming up" with brain puzzles ahead of time might improve your score by a few points, no significant improval will be made.
Again, not true.
https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/03/iq-can-be-increased-by-more-education-but-can-intelligence-does-it-matter/
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If you can find out a way to permanently boost someone's IQ you'll basically be curing cancer. Honestly, such a discovery would be even bigger than that. It'd be up there with the wheel and fire. The global impact would be insane.
Again here is where it gets semantic do you mean their recorded IQ score because that's not true.
https://the-orbit.net/almostdiamonds/2011/12/18/on-the-stability-of-iq/
Do you mean their fundamental problem solving skills, because that's isn't true either, older people naturally get more and harder questions right than children due to education. That's why there is a separate test.
If you mean the more nebulous total smarts potential e.g. Feynman score was totally wrong.
Yes, the total potential is unknown to change, but we do have cases where geniuses suddenly took off.
We cant measure that directly and IQ is a good summary of all of the above for most people.
But data is data, peoples IQs and problem solving improves.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
I think the fact that so few have taken actual IQ tests begs the question, what are the validity of the scores?
I was in public school and I didn’t take one. I did take a test for gifted classes that I don’t think was IQ but I suppose it was similar. I remember passing that and my mom being upset they wouldn’t let me in the program, I think because I was a regular kid that wasn’t subjectively gifted (ie artistic/dramatic/eccentric) and fit in better with the regular class - which I was very much ok with because it was already like 4th grade.
I was in public school and I didn’t take one. I did take a test for gifted classes that I don’t think was IQ but I suppose it was similar. I remember passing that and my mom being upset they wouldn’t let me in the program, I think because I was a regular kid that wasn’t subjectively gifted (ie artistic/dramatic/eccentric) and fit in better with the regular class - which I was very much ok with because it was already like 4th grade.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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The only real IQ tests are ones administered by psychologists. That's what I had as a youth (to get into Gifted. I was in private school 1st and 2nd grade so they didn't do testing like the public school system).
Agreed, there online ones are for entertainment value only.
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I'll admit the high school one was not that. I was taking a ton of them and it was a written test (not the online ones, but I had taken a ton of those too) and I could tell it was a somewhat legit quality.
I did take it twice in high-school, but like you said I'm unsure how legit that was.
Then I took it online a few times on a few different websites in my 20s and I realized I could game the pattern matching by guessing what pattern other people would think is right, and not the one I thought was most attractive.
At that point I realized there was no point in me taking the online ones.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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The only real IQ tests are ones administered by psychologists.
Way back in 2005, friends and I got in a car accident and I sustained a TBI. I ended up getting a neuropsychological evaluation during my recovery, which I’m sure measured IQ. I was living in Anchorage at the time and there was only one neuropsychologist in Alaska. I remember being there for what felt like all day.
I tried looking for the report the other day but I think I threw it away years ago. Idk how valid or relevant the score would have been anyway considering the circumstances. Obviously it was a snapshot of where I was cognitively at the time, but my brain was still jumbled.
Before the jokes start, I was still very much a Republican for years after I recovered.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:07 am to NC_Tigah
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That really was not the claim was it?
Yes. That was the claim the poster referenced.
Re: the rest of your post. I wonder if the descendants of American slaves have the same average IQ as black people in other countries that aren’t the descendants of slaves. I think that would help demonstrate whether or not centuries of oppression had a measurable impact on IQ.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:11 am to Narax
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Then I took it online a few times on a few different websites in my 20s and I realized I could game the pattern matching by guessing what pattern other people would think is right, and not the one I thought was most attractive.
One reason I took so many was that I was competing with a Taiwanese friend. Eventually we figured out the pattern of some of those sites and did them instantly and there were definitely pre-defined floors and ceilings for the tests. I think 157 or something around there was the max they'd score you.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:21 am to Narax
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So you don't know what he meant, and no one else is up in arms with torches...
I was humoring your fantasy (no offense intended) that he meant something other than the words he used.
The rest of your post is focused on single-parenting. It seems like a goalpost shift to me. Single parenting is significantly correlated with low SES.
quote:??? I haven’t really referenced “black culture.”
I really don't see a "Black culture" in the way you see it.
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I'm more than happy to talk about what's wrong with single moms,
You don’t say…
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:27 am to 4cubbies
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Yes. That was the claim the poster referenced.
No one claimed that or believed that was the claim but you. You really misinterpreted it.
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I wonder if the descendants of American slaves have the same average IQ as black people in other countries that aren’t the descendants of slaves. I think that would help demonstrate whether or not centuries of oppression had a measurable impact on IQ.
American Black IQ is amongst the highest in the world by far compared to all sub Sahara nations.
Depending on the score, they are higher than all (Lynn Becker 2019) or in the top (IIT 2024 behind only Ethiopia and South Africa).
So if that's your metric... there has been no oppression. By the way if we ignore the Bell Curve data from 30 years ago it looks like African American IQs are up to the low 90s.
Again, that's much higher than most sub Sahara nations.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:32 am to 4cubbies
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The innovators and creators have both high beta and high alpha.
This sent me down a very enlightening rabbit hole. Thanks for posting it.
You might enjoy C.W. Taylor's book on the history of innovation and invention. He was the head recruiter for NASA in its startup days.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:45 am to Schleynole
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Abraham Lincoln and MLK were taught as godlike figures but then you read about them and their terrible. Any objective look at history of the past 2 thousand years would center around Jesus but he's not taught. Replyreplies1...
Interesting factoid. Greatest number of published books in English about a person:
No. 1 Jesus
No. 2 Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:47 am to 4cubbies
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The rest of your post is focused on single-parenting. It seems like a goalpost shift to me. Single parenting is significantly correlated with low SES.
Compare pre and post 1965.
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In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites.
From an article by Janet Yellen
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/
Do you think those people were low SES?
Of course they were, Jim Crow had just died.
It was 15% for black families in 1940, 2% for white.
You wanted to know why black IQ scores are lower.
Its genetics or environmental.
A lot of people here think it's genetic.
Well my ancestry DNA has a number of relatives who are black, so it doesn't seem to me like there are just some dumb genes floating around in a pool that big.
That leaves environment.
It becomes very apparent that all of the data points to lesser amounts of parental attention leads to Lower IQs.
But somehow you seem psychologically unable to even conceive of the idea that black women and children would be much better off with a husband and a father in the house.
That the most impressive flowerings of Black American intelligence have been coupled with strong families, even in the face of legal oppression.
What is the problem recognizing that 70%+ illegitimate children is a cultural problem.
This post was edited on 8/2/25 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/2/25 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Eventually we figured out the pattern of some of those sites and did them instantly and there were definitely pre-defined floors and ceilings for the tests. I think 157 or something around there was the max they'd score you.
Agreed, I'm sure a number of people still consider the scores they get online proof of their genius.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 11:11 am to VOR
quote:Indeed. IQ tests are also a robust predictor (associated with) a host of other outcomes. This certainly doesn’t mean it’s causal, as other factors associated with IQ come in to play. Some outcomes associated with IQ are: (Keep in mind that this list is not all inclusive, and does not mean that IQ is the only thing they are associated with.). Income may be even more of a robust predictor and some. But IQ also predicts income as a whole.
The reality is that IQ tests are a very good predictor of academic success, according to the few experts in the field who I know…
Employment
Income
Early pregnancy, including teen pregnancy
Incarceration
Crime
Job performance
Educational attainment
Educational/academic performance
Physical altercations
Graduation from high school
Graduation from college
Post university education
Early vs. later death
Mortality rates
Progression of diseases and illnesses
Morbidity
Nutrition
Dental health
Job promotions
Number of children
Susceptibility to be easily influenced.
Automobile accidents
Some mental illnesses
Also, the associations are complex and certainly not linear.
This post was edited on 8/2/25 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/2/25 at 11:55 am to 4cubbies
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Yes. That was the claim the poster referenced.
Not if you are referring to me it wasn't.
Absolutely not.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:01 pm to anc
The ACT test used to be equivalent to an IQ test before they changed it. Organizations like MENSA will accept pre-1989 ACT tests as IQ verification. I’m 99th percentile, but still dumb enough to pick up venomous snakes bare handed. So much for IQ tests…
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:02 pm to OceanMan
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Does anyone know their IQ? Seems like we are constantly just estimating each other’s IQ but does anyone actually test out
I do
No
I'm not telling
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