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re: Socialist Healthcare -- Let's Look at pay
Posted on 8/8/21 at 3:04 pm to frogtown
Posted on 8/8/21 at 3:04 pm to frogtown
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There is too much demand for healthcare. You need to cut demand. Too many people under the age of 50 going to the doctor for lack of good diet and exercise. Go to your local McDonalds and sit for 5 hours. Watch people. We are a country of obese people. That is the main reason single payer will never work here. Too many fatties.
Also malpractice insurance and the threat of being sued drives up costs. Doctors here do way too many unnecessary tests because they are afraid of getting sued.
You seem focused on insurance companies. Get rid of the insurance companies and you have single payer which will be far worse for everybody. You are barking up the wrong tree IMO.
how do you propose we cut demand for healthcare?
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Posted on 8/8/21 at 3:13 pm to oklahogjr
I use experts including orthopedic surgeons who make upward of $500000 just for performing exams for the legal system on top of their surgical practice
Posted on 8/8/21 at 3:33 pm to oklahogjr
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how do you propose we cut demand for healthcare?
I have something called a HSA, health savings account. I have a small fortune in that account. I DO NOT WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY. I want it(the $$$) to stay in there and compound. So I keep myself in shape, diet, exercise etc etc. I will benefit financially by staying away from the doctor. This is an incentive. This is how you cut demand. If I make it until 65, I go on Medicare and I stick the $$$ from the HSA in my pocket/spend it/whatever.
Not for everyone. I know. And not everyone has the ability. I know.
I would change certain things about HSAs. People/families need to be able to put money in a HSA when a person is born. Take advantage of 50-60 years of compound interest. When someone turns 50 they will have a lot more healthcare/health insurance options if they have hundreds of thousands of dollars in an HSA.
I would use the lottery to fund healthcare instead of education. Specifically fund HSAs. Healthcare is a better use of the funds. The lottery is played by poor folk. Just a fact. Start sticking the money made by the lottery into health savings accounts. Let it compound. If they need it, let them use it. It they make it to 65 relatively healthy then they have a windfall they can spend at retirement. But, most importantly, this gives them an incentive to stay healthy. I am tired of seeing people live on a diet of Mountain Dew and Pall Malls. We need something to change that.
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/8/21 at 3:43 pm to oklahogjr
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how do you propose we cut demand for healthcare?
Well, since he was talking about obesity you could end welfare (especially medicaid and food stamps). Obesity is MUCH more prevalent among the poor.
Throughout history it was just the opposite.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 5:39 pm to RicFlairWhoooooo
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My man. Please show me where physician wages is 50% of healthcare dollars. The actual number is 9%.
I read it a while back. It may not be that it’s 50% of what we spend. Maybe it’s that we spend twice as much on provider salary. Point remains the same that in order to match costs in socialists system, provider salaries would need to be cut 50%.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 5:58 pm to Eurocat
quote:Yep. A cardiac surgeon should only get subsistence wages. Sure.
100,000 is enough for anybody to live on.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 8:49 pm to Robin Masters
So you made up a stat that was off by 500% and posted it as fact. I have never once heard of a person with the means to have medical care anywhere in the world choose a different country than the US.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 9:27 pm to AUstar
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Yes I know they have private doctors not connected with NHS
Many of them are the same doctors who are connected to the NHS. They can and do work both systems. There’s a podcast from The White Coast Investor titled something like “practicing medicine in the UK” where a UK physician goes into pretty good detail about the system.
There’s a similar one with Australia and India, though the Indian one was the least interesting (he took an Indian med school grad who only ever worked in the US. She had secondhand experience but it was not as in depth as the other two). Still a decent episode but the other two are much better views of the public/private health system in developed countries with more knowledgeable guests.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 9:31 pm to RicFlairWhoooooo
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fact. I have never once heard of a person with the means to have medical care anywhere in the world choose a different country than the US.
I’m not being critical of the US health care system.
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