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re: Social Security Fairness Act

Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:26 am to
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44249 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:26 am to
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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) caught some senators by surprise this week when he took the first step to set up consideration of the Social Security Fairness Act, announcing plans to bring up the bill for a vote next week.

“The Senate is going to vote on the Social Security Fairness Act before the end of the year,” he said Thursday, calling the move a chance for senators to “do the right thing for our teachers and nurses and postal workers and law enforcement officers and firefighters.”

Schumer and other backers say the bill aims to prevent unfair reductions in benefits for millions of people who have worked in public service by repealing two tax rules known as the Windfall Elimination Provision and the Government Pension Offset.
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20353 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:40 am to
If you were an employee of the federal government before 1983, you did not pay Social Security taxes, per USA.gov. As a result, your Social Security earnings record will not reflect that pay. At that time, the federal government used the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) to offer benefits to its employees.
Today, however, the government uses the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) instead. All federal employees under FERS are eligible to collect Social Security. If you decided to stay in the CSRS, you won't be eligible for Social Security even if you continued working for the federal government, the Social Security Administration explains.
The FERS system began in 1987. Workers who participate in FERS are eligible for Social Security. If you chose to stay in CSRS after 1983, you are not eligible for Social Security
This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 11:43 am
Posted by Mfdtiger
Deatsville, Alabama
Member since Oct 2010
814 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:55 am to
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Plus every member of Congress. I didn't "opt out" of the private sector. I was laid off and needed to feed my family. I became a first responder and now I've lost 20+ years of SS contributions. But Julio snuck across the Rio Grand and gets handed money.


Exactly this is the case for me as well, OP is an idiot.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3400 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:03 pm to
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But government retirees are more than adequately compensated to make up the loss.


You know have no idea how government retirees are compensated. First of all they contribute to FERS, second they contribute to social security, and third they contribute to thrift savings plan (401k). FERS only pays 1.1% of salary x number of years of service. TSP is a 1-1match up to about 5% of salary per year and it rides the market like any other 401k.
This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:30 pm to
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I do ok, but not ok enough to not miss 20 grand a year I have to send to SS



SS is limited to 6.2% of max 176k per year......or maximum around $10,900.
I assume that you are saying the company match puts you there.
Posted by UncleD7734
Member since Apr 2019
1415 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:35 pm to
This is the problem. I'll use firefighters as a example. Say a F.F. hired full time in 1983, most did not make enough money to support a wife and two children. So the wife goes to work. Plus the F.F. has a "part time job", which most did. They were required by law to participate in a public retirement system. They pay S S. from their part time job and put in their 40 plus quarters. The F F. retires after putting in 30 years. When the F.F. reaches the age to draw S.S., that amount its cut to a miniscule amount because of them being required to participate in a purchase retirement system. Instead of drawing their full amount of S S., they end up drawing $400 a month from S S. Take out Medicare and they end up putting about $150 in their pocket. Next, the wife dies. The F F. cannot draw from the wife's s s. because of being forced into a public retirement system. Yea, I worked over 40 years, I get $1,900 a month from public retirement system, worked part time for 32 years and paid S S , but can only draw $400 a month.and not one frickin dime of my wife's S.S. I just depends on what boat your in. I paid my share. My wife paid her share. But I get $400 minus Medicare. And nothing from her S.S It aint right. This also applies to some law enforcement officer as well as teachers.
This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62795 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:39 pm to
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Please educate me on why this bill is so great. Thanks


Because a lot of people have public pensions and have also paid into Social Security, so it's not fair their benefits are cut because of the former.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
39249 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:43 pm to
Anything but the sunsetting* of the Social Ponzi System is unfair.





* Anyone not presently or future in the system are not subject to having their wages stolen to prop up the federal pyramid scheme.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3786 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 1:29 pm to
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That's not fair.


There is zero fix to SS that is “fair.” Thought processes like yours are exactly why it will never be reformed or done away with.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3261 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 1:42 pm to
If my wife stayed home and did not teach, she could collect full SS Spousal support. But since she was a teacher she is penalized by SS.
This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
2945 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 2:44 pm to
If they have private sector SS payments as well as government job in their career, they deserve SS payments. Alot never contribute but receive funds.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20698 posts
Posted on 12/14/24 at 2:56 pm to
Over 30 years in private. $100 short of substantial income in 1 year of college. SS wants to reduce because 10 years in state pension. The system is a complete scam.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7052 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:20 pm to
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S is limited to 6.2% of max 176k per year......or maximum around $10,900.


I am self employed so have to pay the full 12.4%.

But the Senate just made cloture on this bill, so it should pass the Senate tomorrow or Friday. What a major relief that is to me.
Posted by JakeRStephenes
Member since Feb 2012
3043 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:52 pm to
Here's a rule of thumb - if they put the word fairness in the name of the bill, it has nothing to do with fairness. They are simply trying to imply that the previous system was unfair, which it wasn't.

Inflation Reduction Act - DUH. Do some reading.
Posted by Swampcat
Member since Dec 2003
12446 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:58 pm to
Your dupid
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
6024 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:27 pm to
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If my wife stayed home and did not teach, she could collect full SS Spousal support. But since she was a teacher she is penalized by SS.


This is where I'm conflicted. Husband and wife both wore non-government jobs and pay into SS. They both receive SS payments based on their earnings after retirement. If the higher earner dies first, the other gets a step up in their SS payment amount. They don't get both. So lets say person A gets 2,500/month and B get 2,000/month. After A dies, B gets 2,500/month.

Now change that to where B was a teacher and didn't pay into SS. As long as both A and B are living, total retirement payments would be 4,500 in both situations. Why should B get to keep A's full benefit. I'd be ok with B getting 500 of spousal support on top of their 2,000 teacher retirement, but not to keep the full 4,500 household retirement income.
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