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re: So XI Joe is banning private businesses

Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:29 am to
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:29 am to
Do you have data that shows that private prisons have any affect on incarceration rates?

Do they send runners out into the community and induce people to rob a liquor store or shoot up a club?
This post was edited on 4/30/21 at 9:36 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12934 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:45 am to
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They're used as the scapegoat for high incarceration rates instead of looking at the culture(s) that breed criminality.


So Biden and democrats are going to start holding blacks accountable and fix their culture? Come on man this is just way to have an excuse for letting more criminals run free.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:46 am to
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Do they send runners out into the community and induce people to rob a liquor store or shoot up a club?


No. They have lobbying influence that can affect legislation that directly impacts incarceration statistics.

Do you think that they DON'T lobby or something?
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2871 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:46 am to
Private prison and cartel lobbying is probably 90% or more of the reason that weed isn’t legal. They lobby hard to keep it illegal to keep those incarcerations up.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:47 am to
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They have lobbying influence that can affect legislation that directly impacts incarceration statistics.



So, the politicians are to blame for your issues with private prisons?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:48 am to
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So, the politicians are to blame for your issues with private prisons?



Sure. One way to remove their behavior from the equation is to abolish private prisons.

Not that difficult.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:49 am to
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Not that difficult.


So be damned increased costs and other issues associated with operating government prisons?
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70330 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:51 am to
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Not for prisons

You're incredibly stupid


nice insightful reply.

are you suggesting there is no money laundering in federal prison systems, no warden appointments based on secret handshakes, and other fraudulent activity?
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
475 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:53 am to
Private prisons hold less than 9% of incarcerated persons in the US. They aren’t influencing legislation in any meaningful way, if at all.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117562 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:01 am to
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end private prisons


With just a slight spelling change and 2 more years Biden will 'end private pensions.'

Ever since Clinton's 1st term the Dems have been salivating at the prospect of the govt going after the huge amount of money held in pension funds.
Posted by Nurbis
Member since May 2020
2374 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:08 am to
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You don't see a problem with having a profit incentive to keep as many people incarcerated as possible?

The prison industrial complex acts as a lobbying influence to keep more people in prison


A profit incentive to give people longer sentences and keep them in prison longer is a problem. That assumes the judge handing down the sentence is getting paid for that and he knows which prison a person is going to serve their sentence, which may be the case, I don't know.

As far as how many are incarcerated, look around, there is no shortage of criminal activity. It isn't like murder, rape, and armed robbery are non-existent and the system is sending people to prison for jaywalking. The need for these prisons is still there.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39850 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:10 am to
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ROXS
As in "Dumb as a box of" apparently.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25834 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:11 am to
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nd a rip off to the tax payers. These private institutions don't contribute to the greater good of society. They detract from it.
They wouldn't exist if government could learn how to run their agencies and departments efficiently. Private sector does damn near everything cheaper and more efficiently than the government because there's actually accountability in operations and spending. Government doesn't care about efficiency because its other people's money they're spending.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157757 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:26 am to
Link us to their lobbying that directly affects incarceration rates
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173618 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:27 am to
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So be damned increased costs and other issues associated with operating government prisons?



You think that we're getting some great discount using private prisons?
Posted by tatervol
Lexington, TN
Member since Nov 2008
2211 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:29 am to
Power man is absolutely owning you fools
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173618 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:29 am to
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They wouldn't exist if government could learn how to run their agencies and departments efficiently. Private sector does damn near everything cheaper and more efficiently than the government because there's actually accountability in operations and spending. Government doesn't care about efficiency because its other people's money they're spending.


I don't believe there is any evidence that private prisons operate more efficiently or come at some huge cost savings to the tax payers. If their lobbying increases incarceration to any degree the cost for both private and public prisons naturally goes up.

They don't have much of an incentive to since their only competition is the government

All they have to do is stay at about the same cost
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26471 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:31 am to
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You don't see a problem with having a profit incentive to keep as many people incarcerated as possible?

The prison industrial complex acts as a lobbying influence to keep more people in prison


It is easy for government to cut contractors. They are the first to get the budget axe if the chance presents itself. Conversely, government cutting government run operations is like root canal. They will avoid it if at all possible especially if there are government unions involved.

This post was edited on 4/30/21 at 10:32 am
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:33 am to
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You think that we're getting some great discount using private prisons?


9% of the prison population is housed in private prisons, so no, I do not...

However, the increased efficiency with which they operate certainly saves money when compared to government run facilities...

It seems you are jousting at windmills on this one... Some kind of contrived boogeyman to hang your hat on... People have asked you direct questions to engage in discussion on it but you seem unable to have a rational discussion concerning this...

Lobbying of all types is a major issue in this country... the prison lobby is probably amongst the least we should be concerned with at this point...

You are also dismissing the impacts this move would have on detention at the border as well...
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157757 posts
Posted on 4/30/21 at 10:33 am to
Yeah. With zero data. Owning.
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