re: So was Roe V Wade what really prevented a Red Wave

No. It's mail-in and six weeks of early voting that prevented it. The dems can get people who never would have put in the effort to go vote to fill out a form and mail it in.

This is 2 cycles. The Republicans better start milking votes in the same manner.

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So was Roe V Wade what really prevented a Red Wave

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that's just a symptom of the disease, to use a cliche.

The "disease", the thing no one has caught on to yet, the truly independents are gone. Or that group is no where as large as was thought in 2016 or 2020. Confirmed Tuesday.

You don't hear people talk about "single issue voters" any longer (was that a 80's or 90's thing?). But they didn't go away... it was assumed they did.

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I just don't understand how you can witness all that has been going on in the country the past two years and say, "I don't care about any of that, the most important thing to me is to kill unborn babies."

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it is somewhat difficult to understand another person’s position on any issue, when you insist on framing the issue from your perspective rather than looking at it from the perspective of the other person.

I fully understand that you do not believe abortion to have been a constitutionally-protected right. I happen to agree with you, but that agreement is irrelevant.

Humans are not rational animals, and perception is as important as reality in trying to understand their behaviors and motivations. The PERCEPTION of a very large percentage of the population is that abortion WAS a protected right and that Dobbs took away their rights to self determination and personal autonomy.

So, let’s look at this by analogy to a constitutional right that you DO recognize/acknowledge. Let’s use the Second Amendment.

Let’s pretend that the opposing party wants to completely repeal the Second Amendment. Not just interpret it more narrowly than you do, but repeal it in it’s entirety. The matter would be “returned to the states,” and any given state could enact as broad a ban as that state might choose.

Would you be willing to accept high inflation in order to protect the Second Amendment?

You will never understand these voters until you are willing to set aside your own prejudices and try to understand the question from their perspective. Not agree with it. Just try to understand it.

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They've been taught clinical terms as fetus or lump of cells to desensitize the process.

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And “medical procedure.”

I know, Godwin’s Law and the cliche “Orwellian” redefinition of terms. But if the shoe fits. It’s a cliche kind of morning.

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Today, a few still promote the lie it's not true and the rest say they'd rather lose than budge.

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There was a poster on here yesterday who stated that he would be fine with his kids and grandkids living under communism if it meant going out on his shield for abortion.

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The "disease", the thing no one has caught on to yet, the truly independents are gone.

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If they were gone, the GOP would not have won shite on Tuesday or made progress last year.

The issue is that the GOP may have alienated a ton of independent voters (primarily suburban women) who may never come back to the party as it stands today.

So, they're not "gone", but for a right-populist GOP or a Trumpian GOP? They're not crossing the aisle.

Single women voted +30 for Dems. Married Men/Women and single men all went Republican. So yes, unless you think single women are more worried about inflation (sarcasm), abortion was a huge issue in this election.

Republicans refuse to early vote and then don’t show up on Election Day because they think they don’t have to because they’ve been told that Republicans always dominate Election Day voting. As long as this occurs, they are screwed.

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These people are too lazy or selfish to arrange contraception up front

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54% of women seeking an abortion were using contraception the month they got pregnant.

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19th Amendment

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Was a huge friggin mistake.