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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:47 am to the808bass
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:47 am to the808bass
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Do you think an average police officer knows that this is potentially lethal
A lot of things are potentially lethal. You mentioned a punch to he nose earlier that is potentially lethal, but is less than lethal force. The same applies with a neck restraint. It may be potentially lethal, but is a form of less than lethal force.
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:48 am to Coach72
quote:Does that concept extend to cops as well, or is it just another instance where cops don't have to live up to the same standards as the rest of society?
A certain segment (cough, cough) of our population must learn that actions have consequences.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:50 am to the808bass
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So was Garner put in a choke hold or not? Because it's the same standard that a civilian would face. If I choke a guy out and he dies, I don't get to say "normally that doesn't kill a guy." It's still a crime.
Again, this is not accurate. If you are defending yourself from a Phyical attack it is reasonable less than lethal force. That is assuming the ME doesn't find asphyxiation or some other excessive injury.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:51 am to Chappy
The policeman was not defending himself from a physical attack.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:53 am to Scruffy
Hell yeah, cops who abuse their power should be hammered.
My point is only you CANNOT resist arrest or you are rolling the dice, because they can (and will) force you to be complicit, and bad things could indeed happen during this process.
My point is only you CANNOT resist arrest or you are rolling the dice, because they can (and will) force you to be complicit, and bad things could indeed happen during this process.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:53 am to the808bass
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The policeman was not defending himself from a physical attack.
I used that example because he was engaged in a lawful act, as you would be (as a civilian) in defending yourself
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:57 am to the808bass
Good discussion 808
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I enjoy conversing with you, you are one of the few I enjoy reading
If you're ever in BR I'll buy you a beer
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:47 am to meauxjeaux2
thanks for the link.
I have seen the video a couple of times and it appears to me that there was no 'chokehold' being applied when he was proclaiming 'I can't breathe' - so it is impossible that he was 'choked to death.' If he was able to pronounce the words then he was getting air thru his throat.
I saw one report that he had asthma - that could have been a contributing factor.
My position on all of this is 'don't start no shite - won't be no shite.'
I have seen the video a couple of times and it appears to me that there was no 'chokehold' being applied when he was proclaiming 'I can't breathe' - so it is impossible that he was 'choked to death.' If he was able to pronounce the words then he was getting air thru his throat.
I saw one report that he had asthma - that could have been a contributing factor.
My position on all of this is 'don't start no shite - won't be no shite.'
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:54 am to Chappy
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Again you are confusing homicide with murder
This is common misconception.
The word 'homocide' does not imply any criminality at all - at least according to a former NYPD commissioner I saw on TV last night.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 4:02 am to meauxjeaux2
Negligent homicide/ end discussion
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:50 am to tankyank13
Really good article that looks at some of the facts discussed in this thread. Good in that the author doesn't seem to be pushing an agenda. Pretty rare for a journalist these days. Especially considering that it is published on a poli talk website (Breitbart).
LINK
LINK
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:58 am to cwill
quote:this is a whole different issue that i'm sure has been covered already regarding the mostly demorcratic lawmakers stupid money making scheme with the insanely high tax rates on cigarettes causing a black market on the sale of cigarettes from out of state.
A guy was brutalized for selling cigarettes....think about that for a bit.
This thread is about the label of a choke hold being the battle cry for injustice in this case.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:08 am to the808bass
Who cares.....
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:14 am to meauxjeaux2
Ole Slick Willy really opened up some cans with the new definition of "is" didn't he?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:15 am to John McClane
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John McClane
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It's called a rear naked choke.
The officer does have his arm around the neck, but the coroner found no damage to the trachea or to the bones in the neck that would indicate a choke.
Furthermore, the ban on choke holds is a police department policy, not a New York statute.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:01 am to meauxjeaux2
That guy in the MMA fight. How did he not kill his opponent? I mean... It was .... A chokehold!
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:03 am to Coach72
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Hell yeah, cops who abuse their power should be hammered. My point is only you CANNOT resist arrest or you are rolling the dice, because they can (and will) force you to be complicit, and bad things could indeed happen during this process.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:24 am to baybeefeetz
quote:i'm sure it's because the fighter was way more conditioned than Garner but the illustration was to show the difference between what the officer did,a headlock takedown maneuver to a perp that was resisting arrest and an actual chokehold that cuts off bloodflow to the brain.
That guy in the MMA fight. How did he not kill his opponent?
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:40 am to meauxjeaux2
I can see the diff. I agree with your points.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:43 am to meauxjeaux2
It wasn't a choke hold. But even if it was, so what?
If a 6'3", 350 lb. guy who has 30 arrests on his record decides he's not going to let the police arrest him and starts resisting, I doubt if the arresting policeman thinks to himself, "Now what is department policy on how to defend myself from this guy?"
If a 6'3", 350 lb. guy who has 30 arrests on his record decides he's not going to let the police arrest him and starts resisting, I doubt if the arresting policeman thinks to himself, "Now what is department policy on how to defend myself from this guy?"
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