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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:45 am to LSURussian
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:45 am to LSURussian
but death by cigarettes. This is the charge people are bringing upon this cop.
Garner died because of cigarettes. Really?
Garner died because of cigarettes. Really?
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:50 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:Further proof that smoking kills......
Garner died because of cigarettes.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:50 am to meauxjeaux2
should be some sort of charges. negligent homicide/manslaughter, whatever.
The guy was no physical threat and a death-grip on the neck was NOT necessary with 3-4 other cops there.
Blatant use of excessive force.
The guy was no physical threat and a death-grip on the neck was NOT necessary with 3-4 other cops there.
Blatant use of excessive force.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:52 am to BobBoucher
quote:they were unable to aprehend him when he was standing up. They tried to cuff him but he kept slapping their hands away. Did you not see that?
The guy was no physical threat and a death-grip on the neck was NOT necessary with 3-4 other cops there.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:53 am to meauxjeaux2
Dude, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:01 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
They tried to cuff him but he kept slapping their hands away
So, had he not resisted arrest, forcing the police to escalate their actions, he'd still be around today?
And had Michael Brown not attacked a police officer, he'd still be around today?
Does that about sum it up? Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Or, would he cops would have killed them anyway, simply because they were black.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:17 am to Chappy
quote:
Good discussion 808 I gotta go to bed I enjoy conversing with you, you are one of the few I enjoy reading If you're ever in BR I'll buy you a beer
Thanks man. Same back to you!
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:23 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
I have seen the video a couple of times and it appears to me that there was no 'chokehold' being applied when he was proclaiming 'I can't breathe' - so it is impossible that he was 'choked to death.' If he was able to pronounce the words then he was getting air thru his throat.
You can still be "choked" to death while breathing. His neck was compressed (along with his chest) and the ME determined that was the cause of death.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:26 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
i'm sure it's because the fighter was way more conditioned than Garner but the illustration was to show the difference between what the officer did,a headlock takedown maneuver to a perp that was resisting arrest and an actual chokehold that cuts off bloodflow to the brain.
You still have yet to deal with the ME's findings in this thread. He was found to have died from compression of the neck and chest.
Also, the fighter doesn't die from a chokehold because when he loses consciousness, the referee calls the other fighter off. If a person continues a "fluffy bunny hold" past the time the subject is unconscious, it will kill them too. No matter how physically fit they are.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:28 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
but death by cigarettes. This is the charge people are bringing upon this cop. Garner died because of cigarettes. Really?
No. That's too simplistic. But a non-violent offender seems like a poor place to use violence to arrest.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:30 am to the808bass
So you favor lax enforcement of non-violent offenses? So like if a guy is spray painting all over the city, including on city hall, he will never face justice unless he turns himself in? Because he is always going to run(I.e., resist)
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:34 am to baybeefeetz
So if a guy is running from defacing a building, should there be any difference in the way the cops pursue him versus a kidnapper?
You're creating a false dichotomy. It's not a choice of no enforcement versus the Gulags. There's degrees in between. Does that make sense?
You're creating a false dichotomy. It's not a choice of no enforcement versus the Gulags. There's degrees in between. Does that make sense?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:35 am to the808bass
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But a non-violent offender seems like a poor place to use violence to arrest.
At the point he started resisting arrest, did he not then become violent?
I guess they were supposed to say "PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE let us gingerly place these handcuffs on your wrists" and if he refused, they just let him go and say... well, we tried.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:36 am to the808bass
quote:you conveniently keep leaving out the other details that led to his death.
You still have yet to deal with the ME's findings in this thread. He was found to have died from compression of the neck and chest.
I mean,over and over and over again. In every thread.
You have an agenda it's obvious.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:38 am to meauxjeaux2
I am telling you, this shite is driving me crazy. Men have lost their reason.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:41 am to meauxjeaux2
Are you fricking blind?
That's a chokehold and excessive force.
That's a chokehold and excessive force.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:42 am to baybeefeetz
quote:and they never come back to address what is clear. It was more than selling illegal cigarettes that killed him. It was more than a headlock takedown that led to his demise. It was more than being black in the wrong place.
I am telling you, this shite is driving me crazy. Men have lost their reason.
But this is the narrative set for this sensational story. It is very sad.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:43 am to meauxjeaux2
Insane is what it is.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:43 am to TOKEN
quote:did i not link professional testimony in the OP? Why are you questioning me? If you have a problem with facts,i suggest you visit some other thread.
Are you fricking blind?
That's a chokehold and excessive force.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:44 am to meauxjeaux2
Yes he was for a minimum of 13 seconds
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