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re: So The Same "God" That Allows Pedophiles To Run Rampant In His Churches Is Going To Assist
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:36 pm to AcadieAnne
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:36 pm to AcadieAnne
Here's what I actually said:
Here's your bullshite claim about what I said:
If I need to explain the difference to you, we're going to need to have a separate conversation about intellectual dishonesty.
Speaking of trying to gaslight people...
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Science and knowledge have been erasing bogus religious claims for thousands of years, and you think that because we don't know all the answers, your fairy tales must be true. That isn't logic.
Here's your bullshite claim about what I said:
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“Science doesn’t know now, but it will someday, trust me bro!”
If I need to explain the difference to you, we're going to need to have a separate conversation about intellectual dishonesty.
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I hope to one day have a good faith conversation whenever you work out whatever it is you’re going through.
Speaking of trying to gaslight people...
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:37 pm to JiminyCricket
Exactly right.
Atheists are irrational precisely because they act as if morality is objective while having no basis for objective reality in their worldview.
If they were consistent, they would have to look at all atrocities and say, “I don’t personally find that appealing but it isn’t objectively wrong”.
Atheists are irrational precisely because they act as if morality is objective while having no basis for objective reality in their worldview.
If they were consistent, they would have to look at all atrocities and say, “I don’t personally find that appealing but it isn’t objectively wrong”.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:39 pm to FooManChoo
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Atheists are irrational precisely because they act as if morality is objective while having no basis for objective reality in their worldview.
Wrong, and you know it's wrong because we've had that exact discussion before.
Nice try, FooLaneCraig.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:50 pm to FooManChoo
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then it is consistent with God’s holiness and justice to punish sinners in Hell for eternity, and such is morally good rather than evil.
Perhaps this is from a different conversation, but I think the strongest argument for the problem of evil would more be akin to natural evils claiming lives.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 12:02 am to FooManChoo
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Exactly right. Atheists are irrational precisely because they act as if morality is objective while having no basis for objective reality in their worldview. If they were consistent, they would have to look at all atrocities and say, “I don’t personally find that appealing but it isn’t objectively wrong”.
I wouldn’t presume to claim I know why atheists believe what they believe. Just objectively speaking, I haven’t heard a convincing argument as to how we determine what is a moral right and wrong absent an objective benchmark.
How can you call a penalty in a game if there’s no rule book to objectively govern the sport?
How can you convict someone of a crime without a well defined, objective list of laws?
How can I say something is or isn’t in a food product without an accurate nutrition label?
Likewise, how can I say what is or isn’t moral without an objective giver of morals?
Posted on 3/1/25 at 12:09 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Trials and tribulations shall vex you as long as you draw breath.
Endeavor to persevere, and lively up yourself.
Endeavor to persevere, and lively up yourself.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 12:20 am to Rip N Lip
A very short time after you take your last breath, you will find that there is a God and that the whole purpose of this life is to realize that the most important thing is your relationship with Him. There will also be a day of judgment, for all who die separated from God will be judged eternally. Will tonight be your last chance to change your eternal destiny?
Posted on 3/1/25 at 12:21 am to JiminyCricket
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Just objectively speaking, I haven’t heard a convincing argument as to how we determine what is a moral right and wrong absent an objective benchmark.
The same way we determine what good chess moves are and what bad chess moves are. Once you have a framework (death and pain are generally bad, as an example) the rest follows quite easily.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 12:21 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Science and knowledge have been erasing bogus religious claims for thousands of years
Lulz
Perhaps if the science didnt keep verifying Biblical accounts, people might believe you
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Evidence for a Flood
Sediment layers suggest that 7,500 years ago Mediterranean water roared into the Black Sea
Smithsonian Magazine
April 1, 2000
But this science is different that your science, right?
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Two geologists at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory have offered a new theory of what happened next. The idea that ocean basins can flood catastrophically during periods of rising sea levels is nothing new in geology.
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At the very bottom of the cores, dozens of feet below the present seafloor, they found layered mud typical of river deltas. Carbon-dating of shells in this mud indicates that it was laid down between 18,000 and 8,600 years ago. The incoming water eventually dug a channel more than 300 feet deep as it poured into the Black Sea basin, changing it from a freshwater lake to a saltwater ocean.
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The salt water poured through the deepening channel, creating a waterfall 200 times the volume of Niagara Falls. In a single day enough water was at a depth at least two times the height of the World Trade Center, and the roar of the cascading water would have been audible at least 100 miles away. The boundary of the ocean moved inland at the rate of a mile a day.
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In addition, Pitman and Ryan point out what archaeologists who study ancient civilizations have known for a long time: that at after the time of the flood, a number of people and new customs suddenly appeared in places as far apart as Egypt and the foothills of the Himalayas, Prague and Paris. The people included speakers of Indo-European, the language from which most modern European and Indian languages are derived. Pitman and Ryan suggest that the flood itself might have been the cause of the breakup of Indo-European languages.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 12:27 am to RobbBobb
"A flood happened. See, told you my god is real."
Posted on 3/1/25 at 1:13 am to Goforit
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A very short time after you take your last breath, you will find that there is a God and that the whole purpose of this life is to realize that the most important thing is your relationship with Him. There will also be a day of judgment, for all who die separated from God will be judged eternally. Will tonight be your last chance to change your eternal destiny?
The bishop ignored both heavenly and terrestrial signs that he should not continue to seek personal glory by shooting the club record in Biblical weather conditions. God struck him down. That is the bit.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 5:57 am to EZE Tiger Fan
I would suggest you re think your position, for your own good
Posted on 3/1/25 at 6:17 am to ole man
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I would suggest you re think your position, for your own good
Don't matter, OM: "Behold, I have given the spirit of blindness, eyes that the cannot see and ears that they cannot hear". We could go into a Theological rabbit hole re why God would pre-destine or "blind" some people, but to the blind nothing changes. The answer should be obvious to those with wisdom imbued by the Holy Spirit of Truth.
We are a mini blip for an instant on the cosmic radar, as those who reach old age realize. Lest we have hope for another and better life, nothing really matters, as even the joy of a good life, that is lost, is tragic.
See you in the next one.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 6:18 am to Goforit
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A very short time after you take your last breath, you will find that there is a God and that the whole purpose of this life is to realize that the most important thing is your relationship with Him.
"The guy who never speaks or shows up is deeply interested in a relationship with you."
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:13 am to Azkiger
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The same way we determine what good chess moves are and what bad chess moves are. Once you have a framework (death and pain are generally bad, as an example) the rest follows quite easily.
Chess and morality is an apple and oranges comparison. In chess, we have defined rules that are universally agreed upon. There’s an objective method to the game because the creators of chess made it that way. It was an intelligently designed game with a clear framing around it.
Why are death and pain objectively bad? Are there circumstances where death and pain are actually beneficial and a morally correct thing to do? Who gets to decide when that death is a beneficial thing? Who defines what good and bad is? Who gets to create that objective framework? Your entire post is an explanation of YOUR morality. What gives you the right to dictate the morality you find to be superior to others? Look at slavery in the colonial south. Many viewed it as evil. Others viewed it as necessary and perfectly acceptable. Who was right? How do you know?
This post was edited on 3/1/25 at 7:16 am
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:15 am to JiminyCricket
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I haven’t heard a convincing argument as to how we determine what is a moral right and wrong absent an objective benchmark.
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The same way we determine what good chess moves are and what bad chess moves are. Once you have a framework (death and pain are generally bad, as an example) the rest follows quite easily.
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Why is death and pain objectively bad?
I answered your question, which worked on the premise of being "absent an objective benchmark", then am immediately criticized for not taking into account objectivity.
Am I being trolled?
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:22 am to Azkiger
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I answered your question, which worked on the premise of being "absent an objective benchmark", then am immediately criticized for not taking into account objectivity. Am I being trolled?
No you didn’t. You took a game like chess, which was intelligently designed with explicit and clear rules and guidelines to establish which moves are legal and which are not and tried to tie that to how we establish morality absent objectivity.
In chess, let’s say a person makes an illegal move. It’s clear and easy for the two parties that are playing to refer to the rule book and determine if the move was legal or not. There’s objective framework from the designer of the game to determine if the move is legal or isn’t.
Let’s say a moral issue arises between those same two parties. What method is there to determine who is correct in the disagreement? You responded that “death and pain is bad” which in an of itself is a subjective opinion of morality. What if the person you’re disagreeing with views death and pain as not something negative morally? How can you say that your view is correct? It’s simply your view.
Absent an objective framework that is universally true, morality is shaped by our cultural norms and experiences and is inherently a personal and subjective opinion.
This post was edited on 3/1/25 at 7:25 am
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:27 am to JiminyCricket
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Why are death and pain objectively bad?
They aren't. They can't be. That applies to a religious worldview as well.
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What gives you the right to dictate the morality you find to be superior to others?
Nothing, which is kind of the point.
Religion claims to have been given that right by some being that we can't disagree or argue with, and it's all bullshite, made up by primitive men.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:35 am to JiminyCricket
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There’s objective framework from the designer of the game to determine if the move is legal or isn’t.
The rules for chess have changed over time. Kind of like the rules for religion.
It seems neither creator got it right on the first go. It's almost like both were created by men, not an omniscient and infallible being that is never to be questioned.
Guess what happens if people decide to modify the rules of chess on their own? The same thing that happens if people decide to modify the rules of religion.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:38 am to EZE Tiger Fan
The catholic church is not His
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