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re: So Paul Ryan Made Some Comments about "Inner City Culture" Today
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Maybe this would be more acceptable...
Wonder who said that...
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Among a large class there seemed to be a dependence upon the Government for every conceivable thing. The members of this class had little ambition to create a position for themselves, but wanted the Federal officials to create one for them.
Wonder who said that...
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:00 am to Wolfhound45
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Wonder who said that...
BTW
FTMFW
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:02 am to Ace Midnight
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BTW
Yup. Reading his autobiography "Up from Slavery" right now. Incredible insights. What a visionary.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:56 am to HempHead
quote:correct, I was.
Unless I am mistaken, I think you are confusing Paul Ryan for Rand Paul on this particular issue.
So no defense for making blanket statements.
Back on track, is there anyone in this thread who doesn't think of black people when someone says "Inner City Culture?"
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:58 am to Tigah in the ATL
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Back on track, is there anyone in this thread who doesn't think of black people when someone says "Inner City Culture?"
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I have no idea what "inner city culture is"
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
I get confused by the, "All those inner city people need to go out and get jobs." combined with all the, "The high unemployment rate is Obama's fault." rhetoric.
If jobs are so plentiful that functionally illiterate minorities from the inner cities can just go out and get one, how can we blame Obama for the poor state of the economy?
But ultimately, when I hear someone say, "Those inner city welfare leeches should just go get a job." my first question is always, "Would you hire them?"
If jobs are so plentiful that functionally illiterate minorities from the inner cities can just go out and get one, how can we blame Obama for the poor state of the economy?
But ultimately, when I hear someone say, "Those inner city welfare leeches should just go get a job." my first question is always, "Would you hire them?"
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:13 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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"Would you hire them?"
Depends on the economy. Many companies would simply because they get work opportunity tax credits.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
My dad didn't teach me a ton, but he certainly taught me how to work by example. We had a convenience store and he worked his arse off to run it. Paul Ryan is spot on.
I didn't have "the talk" or many other "life lessons," but I know from him what "hard work" means. I saw him get up at 4:30am 6 days a week to run the store, and he'd come home after 6 or 7pm. I'm much better for it, too. Seeing that makes me value what I do for a living, and push to do better. Government can NEVER be an example like this.
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generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work
I didn't have "the talk" or many other "life lessons," but I know from him what "hard work" means. I saw him get up at 4:30am 6 days a week to run the store, and he'd come home after 6 or 7pm. I'm much better for it, too. Seeing that makes me value what I do for a living, and push to do better. Government can NEVER be an example like this.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:17 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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my first question is always, "Would you hire them?"
Seems to me, he's speaking more to this issue versus simply a stereotypical right wing 'get a job!' type mindset.
Clearly a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. No doubt, whatever backlash he gets for this will keep more and more people in the 'don't' category, and just continue shutting up about it or throwing out a few meaningless platitudes and keep doing what we've been doing.
I guess that's the goal, no?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Many companies would simply because they get work opportunity tax credits.
So the only reason they don't is because no one is applying?
Nice try, Roger, but in the real world, these people are usually seen as unemployable.
And 9 times out of 10, the people I ask that of say "no". The other 1 out of 10 gives some ambiguous answer like yours. I've yet to meet a real person that has replied with an unqualified, "yes." That's not to say they aren't out there. I just don't run into them much down here.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:24 am to Y.A. Tittle
I don't believe for a second "inner-city" people can't get jobs. My older brother lives in the inner city. He never graduated high school or got a GED. He's covered in tattoos. He's been in jail several times. And he never holds down a job. He always ends up quitting over something stupid.
But he always finds a job when he wants to. He's worked construction, he's worked as a brick layer, building scaffolding, worked as a deckhand offshore, worked for a landscaping company, etc.
He's never had a problem getting a job. And he's an idiot.
But he always finds a job when he wants to. He's worked construction, he's worked as a brick layer, building scaffolding, worked as a deckhand offshore, worked for a landscaping company, etc.
He's never had a problem getting a job. And he's an idiot.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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"If you're driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can't just say, 'I'm paying my taxes, government's got to fix that.' You need to get involved,
I'd be happy to. Does that mean my taxes can be decreased?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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if he had just stuck to a discussion about the issues with having a father around, i wonder what the responses would be
that is a statistical, proven epidemic in that community
Whether or not he is actually being racist, you can't discuss issues in that community without being labeled either a racist or an uncle tom/corn ball brother.
It is a bit amusing to have an agent of government tell people that government is not the solution to their problem. Wish that happened more.
Oh and Ryan is still dead to me.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:58 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So the only reason they don't is because no one is applying?
Nice try, Roger, but in the real world, these people are usually seen as unemployable.
Companies around here are hiring out of the halfway house.
They aren't being hired because they aren't applying or the unemployment rate is such that employers don't need to hire them. In a booming economy there is work for them. Whether it's acceptable or not, don't know.
Sometimes you gotta go where the work is located. It't what people have done...forever.
When I lived in La, we had a program where we tried to hire ex cons or people off of unemployment for welders helpers, shop help, drivers, etc. Probably 90% interviewed just to get credit for looking for work.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Kill the messenger NOW!! How many of you have 10K worth of wheels on your car(s)? Why can't you afford that expenditure? Oh, wait you are spending money on stuff you need for your daily lives, whereas inner city people get their tabs picked up by the baby mamas(us).
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:23 pm to CITWTT
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Kill the messenger NOW!! How many of you have 10K worth of wheels on your car(s)? Why can't you afford that expenditure? Oh, wait you are spending money on stuff you need for your daily lives, whereas inner city people get their tabs picked up by the baby mamas(us).
And how many of you have student loans, mortgages and credit card debt - and other things that you purchased that you couldn't afford at the time?
Isn't that the New American way - buying more than one can afford? Why just blame one group for buying something they can't afford?
At least those boys with the 22" spinners aren't carrying around a bunch of debt.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:07 pm to goldennugget
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Paul Ryan is dead to me
He shouldn't be. We need more people like Paul Ryan in DC.
Side story: I met Paul Ryan at the Jacksonville, airport one time. He had just finished checking in for his flight and I walked up to him to wish him well, and right at that moment, he bent down and unzipped his suitcase (presumably to get something out of it). He saw me and stood up and shook my hand with an open suitcase full of all his dirty underware and clothes on the floor between us. He didn't seem to mind, so I didn't either.
I went to get on my flight and zipped through the preferred flyer's line while he was standing in the regular line that was backed up. I'm sure he could have used his status as a congressman to go through the expedited line, but he did not. He was flying coach and didn't want any special priveleges. Kind of refreshing, for a guy who was on the Republican ticket for VP just a few months before.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I get confused by the, "All those inner city people need to go out and get jobs." combined with all the, "The high unemployment rate is Obama's fault." rhetoric.
If jobs are so plentiful that functionally illiterate minorities from the inner cities can just go out and get one, how can we blame Obama for the poor state of the economy?
But ultimately, when I hear someone say, "Those inner city welfare leeches should just go get a job." my first question is always, "Would you hire them?
You do see that if Ryan said 'the problem is minorities are functionally illiterate' that he would be crucified, right? Heck, I don't even think a white democrat could say something like that (partially because it is a gross simplification, but so was the 'they don't want to work comment').
But the real question is WHY are they functionally illiterate. Or at least, disproportionately so. Has the government failed them, or, as Ryan suggests, there is a larger cultural issue? And private action (not just government action) is necessary to help improve that culture.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can't just say, 'I'm paying my taxes, government's got to fix that.' You need to get involved," Ryan said. "You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program, or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference. And that's how we help resuscitate our culture."
He is absolutely right.
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