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re: So now that Roe is gone - will people become more responsible?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:58 am to BugAC
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:58 am to BugAC
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Abortion = Killing babies to save your tax dollars!
The hypocrisy of the left only concerned about tax dollars when it justifies infanticide. Yet, didn't blink an eye at POTATUS' build back better facade.
Doesn’t that cut both ways? Budget hawks now making an exception
I think it’ll be fascinating to look back 18-25 years from now and see if there was an uptick in crimes, welfare state, social services, etc.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:00 am to Eurocat
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Percentage wise blacks have them more often.
Yep…. More democrats will now be born in some states.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:01 am to udtiger
Yes. It’ll take some time but yes.
It’s not hard to not get pregnant
It’s not hard to not get pregnant
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:02 am to udtiger
Certainly not immediately.
But ones capable of learning will realize their actions have consequences now. Can’t go down to the corner store for a late term abortion in a lot of states as of today.
But ones capable of learning will realize their actions have consequences now. Can’t go down to the corner store for a late term abortion in a lot of states as of today.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:03 am to udtiger
Maybe we can offer free one way tickets to states that will allow abortion to those who want one.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:03 am to Epic Cajun
Depending on the standards of the clinic in question, it may be a one way ticket regardless.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:05 am to udtiger
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Let's be honest, for the vast majority, abortion has been a method of birth control
That's an understatement, too. I'd be willing to bet that >99% of abortions are done solely as birth control.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:05 am to udtiger
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will people become more responsible?
For those who don't live in an 'abortion friendly' state, they'll at least have to be inconvenienced. Maybe they'll think about that and avoid a next time.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:06 am to boosiebadazz
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Absolutely not. Most abortions were from a socioeconomic demographic who has shown no inkling of self-control in sex and other areas of their lives.
What we did was just drive up the cost of the welfare state tremendously.
Time to start punishing people who pop out more kids than they can afford. Giving them more money clearly is not working.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:11 am to tiger91
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Doubtful. Which as a woman, I don't understand. It's NOT that hard. Really, it's not.
It’s not that hard now, but Thomas literally threw out Griswold (which protects the right to birth control) as another case which should be overturned.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:15 am to udtiger
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with states now governing abortion policy (some will outlaw completely, some will be wide open, most will be in between) will this change behaviors?
Drugs are illegal. Is the US seeing record numbers of overdose deaths year after year? Making something illegal does nothing but push ppl to unsafe alternatives.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:33 am to mre
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Griswold (which protects the right to birth control) as another case which should be overturned.
I'm sure I can google .. but adult onset ADD isn't fun .. can you very briefly and simply school me?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:35 am to Indefatigable
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No a chance
Before I take your response seriously:
What did you predict the result of legalizing gay marriage would be?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:35 am to atlanta917
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Making something illegal does nothing but push ppl to unsafe alternatives.
Lol. You think abortion now is safe.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:41 am to the808bass
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What did you predict the result of legalizing gay marriage would be?
I don’t remember particularly caring at the time. I still don’t really care about whether the gays can get married. In the constitutional sense, I see it as a civil contract that any two willing adults can enter into to enjoy the legal regime that it creates. The EP and P&I clauses protect that IMO.
Totally and completely separate from a religious concept.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:43 am to the808bass
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You think abortion now is safe.
Are you implying it’s not?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:44 am to tiger91
Griswold was a substantive due process rights case decided before Roe, and provided that it was unconstitutional to prohibit married couples from obtaining birth control. Subsequent cases have extended that ruling to unmarried people, as well.
Essentially, the substantive due process rights, which Thomas wants to toss, exist in the hazy ether of constitutional law; they exist when and where five justices of the Supreme Court say they exist, as we see with the Dobbs decision today.
But substantive due process rights are more than just about abortion and contraceptives. They also cover things like the right to medical autonomy and the right to raise your children. The thrust of Alito's opinion is that such rights are only protected if the right was one that was "historically and traditionally protected against state interference,"^1 which is why he spends time (or, I should say spent time in the draft opinion, as I have not read the final opinion) on a detour through some of the historical rights which were protected in the 1800s. Because abortion was not a right historically and traditionally protected right (Roe was decided in the 70s), he argues, there is no substantive due process right--read: no constitutional right--to an abortion.
Thomas points out that cases like Griswold (contraception for married couples), Lawrence (unconstitutional to criminalize gay sex), and Obergefell (gay marriage), which are all substantive due process rights cases, are on similarly shaky ground under Alito's reasoning, though Alito specifically disclaims any notion that he would overturn those cases.
Attacks on substantive due process rights are attacks on rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, whether they're rights you agree with or disagree with. It's important to keep in mind that those rights are viewed by our government as constitutionally protected rights only to the extent a majority of the Supreme Court says they do.
^1 Curzan v. Missouri.
Essentially, the substantive due process rights, which Thomas wants to toss, exist in the hazy ether of constitutional law; they exist when and where five justices of the Supreme Court say they exist, as we see with the Dobbs decision today.
But substantive due process rights are more than just about abortion and contraceptives. They also cover things like the right to medical autonomy and the right to raise your children. The thrust of Alito's opinion is that such rights are only protected if the right was one that was "historically and traditionally protected against state interference,"^1 which is why he spends time (or, I should say spent time in the draft opinion, as I have not read the final opinion) on a detour through some of the historical rights which were protected in the 1800s. Because abortion was not a right historically and traditionally protected right (Roe was decided in the 70s), he argues, there is no substantive due process right--read: no constitutional right--to an abortion.
Thomas points out that cases like Griswold (contraception for married couples), Lawrence (unconstitutional to criminalize gay sex), and Obergefell (gay marriage), which are all substantive due process rights cases, are on similarly shaky ground under Alito's reasoning, though Alito specifically disclaims any notion that he would overturn those cases.
Attacks on substantive due process rights are attacks on rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, whether they're rights you agree with or disagree with. It's important to keep in mind that those rights are viewed by our government as constitutionally protected rights only to the extent a majority of the Supreme Court says they do.
^1 Curzan v. Missouri.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:46 am to udtiger
I’m eagerly awaiting the “Pull Out or Buy Pull Ups-You Choose” ad campaign
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:48 am to jaytothen
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No, we'll just hand out more welfare checks going forward.
Bingo, taxpayers should not be celebrating today :(
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:00 am to j1897
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taxpayers should not be celebrating today
It’s a good thing that informed, honest, and principled people don’t think their personal political or economic situation should dictate SCOTUS decisions.
An issue that is reserved to the states is reserved to the states, regardless of whether or not it costs taxpayers money.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 11:01 am
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