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re: So my daughter has received interest from an Ivy League school

Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:09 pm to
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:09 pm to
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I don't subscribe to the school of thought that an Ivy education is better.

Doesnt matter what you thinks. It matters what those med school admissions people think. And they disagree with you.
Posted by eng08
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:11 pm to
My education at LSU cost more than $7k a year and I had tops.

I'm counting school, books, housing, car ins, etc.

If I had that kind of scholarship I would have definitely taken it.
Posted by oldcharlie8
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:11 pm to
my son just received an offer to play football at Princeton.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:15 pm to
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There's a difference between a multiple choice question on Zaitsev's rule, and a 1-page essay on Zaitsev's rule where the teacher gives no partial credit.

i agree, but with the way ivies are blatantly guilty of grade inflation, let's not act like there aren't issues there
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:17 pm to
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She's going a Pre-Med route.
Princeton is fairly unique in the amount of writing required of its students. If your daughter loves writing it would be a great choice. Otherwise as a premed, Harvard, Yale, etc might be better matches.

She should also keep in mind as a premed, that no matter how attractive the undergrad sheepskin, it is little more than a step towards her goal. Interestingly, an LSU 3.8 GPA could serve her better in that regard, than a Princeton 3.0.

Not fair, but it is factual.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:18 pm to
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goes much deeper than the classes you're involved in though, much of campus life will expose you to a variety of thought. Clubs, friends, campaigns, etc.

let me just add that this was one of the biggest, if not the biggest reason i went to LSU and not a better/private school

i couldn't imagine wasting my college years at a small, private university with such limited "friend" options

now, that doesn't justify LSU by itself, but when you add in (1) price and (2) friends going, it was a no brainer
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:23 pm to
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. Normally it just makes sense to be a chemistry/biology/biochem major because the over lap is so great.

yeah, in the south or big public universities. those northeast college love to pump out liberal arts majors who get a minor in a science discipline and use all their excess classes on science (the reverse of the southern model, if you will)

lots of kids who go to those small private liberal arts schools can get educated in STEM disciplines, but they degrees in liberal arts concentrations
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:24 pm to
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I remember as an undergrad, my advisor showed me a chart that stratified students accepted into medical school based on gpa, MCAT, etc and the ranking of their undergrad. The name of your degree matters tremendously

i already said that. ivy league is great to get into the super elite med school. that's not what i was discussing, though

Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:26 pm to
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He will probalby soften his stance over the next 40 years as he earns a living with his PhD from Princeton


Probably so
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:27 pm to
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The secret is the prestige of graduate school and not undergraduate. No one in the long run will give a shite about someone's school for undergraduate.


This is certainly true, and you can go to elite graduate programs after going to smaller undergraduate schools
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 5:29 pm
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:35 pm to
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This is certainly true, and you can go to elite graduate programs after going to smaller undergraduate schools

Yea in the long run its meaningless, but it does make each successive step easier ie elite undegrad higher chances of elite med school higher chances of elite residency higher chances of elite fellowships etc etc. But once your a, let say, fellow no one GAF where you went to med school yet alone undergrad.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:35 pm to
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if you go to an Ivy or similar elite school, you can have a lower MCAT and gpa and still get accepted when compared to a student at an LSU type school.
Yes BUT . . . if you attend an Ivy, Stanford, or Duke, or other top tier program, odds are that you will not pull the GPA you would have at LSU. In many cases, not close.

That divergence along with equivalent MCAT performances often tilts the scale toward the PublicU candidate.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:36 pm to
I received interest from Columbia when I was in HS. I chose not to pursue it seriously, and I have often regretted not doing so. Your daughter owes it to herself to at least see what Princeton is all about and if she thinks she fits there.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:36 pm to
Congrats! I attended Princeton for an Executive Graduate course. Beautiful campus.
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:36 pm to
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You should be encouraging your daughter to choose whatever school SHE wants to go to and support whatever decision she makes. If you have financial constraints then discuss them with her so she is making her decision with all the information. Her mom not wanting to cut the apron strings is really not a valid reason to deny her going to a school she wants to go to.


sad isn't it.

They grow up and they are apt to go the opposite direction no matter how you feel. Thinking that you can steer your daughter to being a good little conservative by her choice of college is naive at best and pathetic at worst.

Let me guess the OP thinks you have a say in her choice of significant other too?

This thread is one of the dumbest I have ever read here.

That is saying something.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:39 pm to
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Talk me out of pursuing it. Rhodes is her top choice and it is going to cost about $11k a year after scholarships.



I went to Rhodes...let me know if you have any questions about it. Awesome 4 years.

ETA: So that everyone is clear, if I had applied and gotten into Princeton, then I would have been off to the northeast in a heartbeat.

Nonetheless, Rhodes' strongest program is probably the sciences and the opportunities at St Jude and the hands on experience at the Med are world-class for pre-med undergraduates.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 5:49 pm
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:39 pm to
on the other side of the spectrum, parents who completely ignore what their kids are doing so they can "become an individual" are the cancer killing this country.

teenagers are fricking morons, they should have a big say in what theyre gonna do but parents need to act like parents.
Posted by fleaux
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:40 pm to
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This thread is one of the dumbest I have ever read here. That is saying something.


This is the fourth or fifth time you've posted something like this in this thread , yet 99% of the posters have told the guy to write the check, so who here is the dumb one?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:41 pm to
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Yes BUT . . . if you attend an Ivy, Stanford, or Duke, or other top tier program, odds are that you will not pull the GPA you would have at LSU. In many cases, not close. That divergence along with equivalent MCAT performances often tilts the scale toward the PublicU candidate.

Idk, the numbers I looked at show you are allowed more "wiggle room" with stats if you go to an elite school. Maybe 3.8 v 3.0 is too much of a discrepancy, but 3.8 v 3.5 might not be.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:41 pm to
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on the other side of the spectrum, parents who completely ignore what their kids are doing so they can "become an individual" are the cancer killing this country.


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