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re: So if I have Corona then have a heart attack and die..
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:48 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:48 pm to Antonio Moss
Corona virus is attacking the heart muscle causing RT side failure (Viral cardiomyopathy).They were seeing and increase in Tropinins and were taking pt to cath lab only to see clean coronaries but heart was in failure.
A weird thing that happened since the stay at home ruling is we are having less semi's to come in for.
A weird thing that happened since the stay at home ruling is we are having less semi's to come in for.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:48 pm to WildManGoose
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Those are your words and do not reflect the statement given by Dr. Birx.
Sure, if you completely and utterly ignore the context in which the statement was given.
Why do you think she referenced the way European nations are recording deaths? Just for the hell of it?
"Hey guys, this is what Europe is doing. Now completely wipe that statement away from your brain as I make a new statement based on the exact same subject but in no way related to the statement I just made"
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:51 pm to oogabooga68
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Um, you seriously claim to know when people are supposed to die?
I know that when a nursing home has three deaths in an average month and they have 45 in a month that there’s a very strong chance that there’s something else going on besides when someone’s “supposed to die.”
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:51 pm to oogabooga68
quote:You serious?
Um, you seriously claim to know when people are supposed to die?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:52 pm to oogabooga68
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In other words, you don't KNOW for a fact
Under your set guidelines, nothing is provable.
You're right. I don't know FOR A FACT that there is not a single doctor somewhere in the U.S. violating coding protocol. And because I don't know the unknowable, the data set is illegitimate.
Also, Trump did not win the 2016 election because I cannot prove that there never existed a single act of voter fraud in his favor.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:55 pm to oogabooga68
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Cool, please go on record: Do you think we are getting an accurate number of deaths by Corona from those compiling the numbers?
Yes.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:56 pm to texag7
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:56 pm to texag7
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:57 pm to Antonio Moss
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"Hey guys, this is what Europe is doing. Now completely wipe that statement away from your brain as I make a new statement based on the exact same subject but in no way related to the statement I just made"
She identified that European countries are differentiating Covid related deaths from other causes and the U.S. is not. That's been established already, and is the basis for the thread. Did you have a point there?
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:59 pm to Antonio Moss
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Under your set guidelines, nothing is provable.
Which is why it is STUPID to simply dismiss the OP's assertion....you don't KNOW anymore than he does.
Some of us are very distrustful of those who are quick to proclaim themselves the best and brightest who have been sent from on-high to protect us from ourselves.
I have a lot of respect for the overwhelming majority of people in the Healthcare industry, but they aren't infallible and they aren't all angels.
Some of the people we are relying on for information are very partisan and many would not hesitate to deny their Hippocratic Oath to score one for their team.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:00 pm to Boatshoes
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:01 pm to WildManGoose
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She identified that European countries are differentiating Covid related deaths from other causes and the U.S. is not.
That is not what she said.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:03 pm to oogabooga68
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Some of the people we are relying on for information are very partisan and many would not hesitate to deny their Hippocratic Oath to score one for their team.
So I can't estimate the odds of someone dying in a given month based on death statistics, but you can estimate the political leanings and willingness to violate an oath of health care workers based on... your feelings?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:07 pm to texag7
Yes...It would count as a Covid-19 related death. I understand why an untrained person would find this confusing...But this is part of the pre-existing conditions issue w/Covid-19. If you have underlying heart disease, something like this infection can result in problems plus, we are thinking that Covid-19 targets the heart. Even patients that do not have underlying heart problems are having a jump in the cardiac enzymes from a myocarditis. My hospital’s standing orders for suspected COVID-19 patients include a troponin—heart enzyme panel. Here is an image of our current suggested testing.
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[/url][/img]Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or kidney issue and not a Covid-19 death. Right now we're still recording it."
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That is not what she said.
Okay. I'm starting to question your interpretation of the protocols of "one the largest health systems in the country."
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:09 pm to Antonio Moss
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She identified that European countries are differentiating Covid related deaths from other causes and the U.S. is not.
Not even close.. seriously, a lot of you need to go watch the entire question in it's full context. She said that in European countries, if a COVID positive victim had an underlying condition and died in the ICU, the COD was being charted as the underlying condition. Knowing this virus attacks major internal organs, how does that make sense?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:14 pm to WildManGoose
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Okay. I'm starting to question your interpretation of the protocols of "one the largest health systems in the country."
I won't lose any sleep over it.
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"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or kidney issue and not a Covid-19 death. Right now we're still recording it."
See that word "caused"? It means something.
She is very clearly saying that some countries are recording deaths CAUSED by coronavirus that exacerbated an underlying condition as a death caused by the underlying conditioned and not COVID.
That is not way, shape, or form the same as
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She identified that European countries are differentiating Covid related deaths from other causes and the U.S. is not.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:15 pm to oogabooga68
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ICD-10-CM code U07. Chocolate Covered Bacon
Every disease published after ICD-9 is made up anyway.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:16 pm to Antonio Moss
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“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.
You half-wit...you quoted that. If you have COVID and you die of a diabetic ketoacidosis....that's a notch on the COVID tally.
Also how am I to gather that if a person with COVID dies in a car crash they aren't counting that to COVID....that is essentially exactly what the above quote says.
Note the quote doesn't say dies "of" COVID-19 but "with" COVID-19....what don't you get they are cooking the numbers.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:16 pm to ClampClampington
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Knowing this virus attacks major internal organs, how does that make sense?
Because you may a bureaucrat in a nationalized health system that knows a reckoning is coming after all of this over with.
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