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re: So apparently Cohen's lawyer went on Maddow last night and said Cohen had collusion info
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:04 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:04 am to TigerDoc
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Paying off whores isn’t a campaign expense.
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Michael Cohen pled guilty yesterday saying that it was.
Cohen can cop to it being a campaign expense to save his butt but that doesn't make it actually a campaign expense.
As explained in another thread, the two prostitutes would have had to be paid with campaign funds not personal funds and it has to be an expense that was dealing with the actual campaign which it isn't.
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:04 am to the808bass
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Because it wasn’t a campaign expense and you know it.
C'mon, Bass. Make an argument. The reporting out there is that Cohen wasn't going to pay these women off until after the Access Hollywood Tape dropped, after which time it became worth his while.
And again... he pleaded to it.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:04 am to LSU Fan 90812
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Do I really seem high or does it seems like the equivocation of the hiring of an English investigator for money that everyone knew was paid for isn’t the same thing as the conspiring with Russian spies to disseminate stolen emails to remove Russian sanctions hidden and lied about for a year isn’t the same thing at all?
1) There is no established Russian connection to the Trump campaign.
2) You’re arguing about quid pro quo and foreign governments without an established quid pro quo. Did you just start following US politics?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:05 am to the808bass
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Nothing in those texts makes it a campaign expense because it is not a campaign expense. Hang in there, fella
Yeah, so I'll just take your word on what's in the communications as opposed to the Prosecution and Cohen.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:05 am to LSU Fan 90812
To explain it to you further- hiring Sherlock Holmes with money isn’t a crime. It’s not a crime just because he’s British. Or because you paid. Especially if you tell people what he’s being paid for and why.
Now meeting with a KGB guy. Who has hacked computers (private property). With advance knowledge of what the meeting is for which is a swap of info hoping to help election on one side, and remove sanctions on the other side. Then hiding that. Then lying about hiding that. That’s multiple crimes.
this is essentially what is alleged. If it is true, then it’s criminal.
Now meeting with a KGB guy. Who has hacked computers (private property). With advance knowledge of what the meeting is for which is a swap of info hoping to help election on one side, and remove sanctions on the other side. Then hiding that. Then lying about hiding that. That’s multiple crimes.
this is essentially what is alleged. If it is true, then it’s criminal.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:06 am to TigerDoc
The argument is clear. You can stretch that reasoning to make almost any personal expense a “campaign expense.”
“If it gets out that I owe back taxes, my campaign is sunk. My back taxes are now a campaign expense.”
Is that what you want? It’s not. Move on and try to find your Trump silver bullet somewhere else. This isn’t it.
“If it gets out that I owe back taxes, my campaign is sunk. My back taxes are now a campaign expense.”
Is that what you want? It’s not. Move on and try to find your Trump silver bullet somewhere else. This isn’t it.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:06 am to DawgfaninCa
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As explained in another thread, the two prostitutes would have had to be paid with campaign funds not personal funds and it has to be an expense that was dealing with the actual campaign which it isn't.
This gets at Cohen's state of mind.
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Michael Cohen initially balked at the idea of buying the silence of a former adult-film star who says she had sex with Donald Trump, but he did an about-face after a video of Mr. Trump talking about groping women became public in October 2016. A day after the recording surfaced of outtakes of Mr. Trump speaking to a host of NBC’s “Access Hollywood,” Mr. Cohen, then Mr. Trump’s senior counsel, told a representative for the performer that he was open to a deal, according to a person familiar with the conversation. ...
Wall Street Journal
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:07 am to tigerinDC09
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Yeah, so I'll just take your word on what's in the communications as opposed to the Prosecution and Cohen.
If they have texts that say the sky is purple, it doesn’t make the sky purple.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:08 am to LSU Fan 90812
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If it is true, then it’s criminal.
If that’s all true, it’s certainly worthy of being pursued by a prosecutor. None of that has been established.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:09 am to BBONDS25
quote:Mostly a jab at your lack of maturity and mocking the 100 posts a day of you trying to throw around your legal chops instead of arguing points on the merits...
A non-lawyer attempting to put down someone who might only be “junior- counsel”.
I am sure you are a nice guy irl but you are a real tool on here.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:09 am to LSU Fan 90812
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That’s simply not the case. Hiring a foreign intelligence officer from an ally power (England) to investigate someone , accounting for the payment of that hiring, using campaign funds derived from the proper sources IS NOT the same as meeting with sanctioned agents of a hostile power (Russia)
Interesting. Can you point me to the section of code that you allege is the crime trump committed. Then point me to the distinction being made in the code that supports the distinction you are making here?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:09 am to the808bass
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1)) There is no established Russian connection to the Trump campaign.
There is Pappadapoulis. Who plead guilty already.
There is Manafort. Who was just convicted yesterday. His primary employer before trump was the Putin-installed head of Ukraine who then fled back to Russia. The SECOND trial will deal not with his banking but the conspiracy to commit fraud.
There is the Russian meeting. Taken and lied about time and time again.
There is tons more. I’d encourage you to go look it up. You seem like a good American who cares about things.
IF TRUE, big if, these things are damning.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:11 am to TigerDoc
Bonds and 404 going on 18 hours..
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:12 am to tigerinDC09
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Yeah, so I'll just take your word on what's in the communications as opposed to the Prosecution and Cohen.
I think he is saying the communication doesn’t change the elements of the crime. Do you know what the elements of the crime you allege trump committted are? Can you list them?
Did you not want to talk about crime/fraud exception anymore?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:12 am to the808bass
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If I have back taxes I owe, can I use campaign funds to cover them? Paying off whores isn’t a campaign expense. No matter how many times you repeat that it is.
Ok, lets say that this is 100% true and found guilty! There is no "jail time" only a 5 figure fine, Trump carries that in his wallet lol. Obama campaign was found guilty of this, was he impeached or had to resign? This is the biggest nothing burger that libs are blowing there load over.
I get that the Media/libs want to find something...anything on this man, but this is a lot to do about nothing.
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Paying off whores
WOW, this is SEXIST! You white male pig
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:13 am to LSU Fan 90812
Eh. None of that is even really a circumstantial case for collusion with Russian hackers.
Pops isn’t pleading to collusion.
Manafort didn’t plead to collusion.
The FBI very likely was setting up the Trump campaign for surveillance. That’s what my take is of the situation right now.
Pops isn’t pleading to collusion.
Manafort didn’t plead to collusion.
The FBI very likely was setting up the Trump campaign for surveillance. That’s what my take is of the situation right now.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:13 am to JuiceTerry
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Bonds and 404 going on 18 hours..
It’s tough trying to impart a modicum of legal knowledge upon such an ignorant group. Just doing my part to help y’all not get too excited. You’re welcome.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:14 am to JuiceTerry
Juicy Juice with a picture. Stick with pictures Juicy. The words are harder.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:15 am to Tigerdev
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throw around your legal chops instead of arguing points on the merits...
What? I ask for specifics every chance I get. I never get them. I’ve still yet to see a single code section posted on here. Yet all of you are claiming trump is clearly guilty. Of what y’all don’t know....but he is guilty.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:16 am to LSU Fan 90812
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There is Pappadapoulis. Who plead guilty already. There is Manafort. Who was just convicted yesterday. His primary employer before trump was the Putin-installed head of Ukraine who then fled back to Russia. The SECOND trial will deal not with his banking but the conspiracy to commit fraud. There is the Russian meeting. Taken and lied about time and time again. There is tons more. I’d encourage you to go look it up. You seem like a good American who cares about things. IF TRUE, big if, these things are damning.
Doesn’t even rise to the level of having a circumstantial case.
Still waiting on the code section.
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