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re: So apparently Cohen's lawyer went on Maddow last night and said Cohen had collusion info

Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:25 am to
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:25 am to
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"about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not Mr. Trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on"


What is Trump's alleged crime here?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65870 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:25 am to
Who didn't know that wikileaks got hacked materials from the DNC?

ETA: I'm still cheering it on.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 8:26 am
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:25 am to
It isn't all that complicated. You can speak in confidence with your attorney about a crime but you can't use your attorney to help you perpetuate a crime.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:25 am to
Amen, sister.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
10189 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:26 am to
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What I am saying is that the poster has no idea how the crime/fraud exception works. What are you talking about? I won’t accept a free Ferrari either. It’s easier to turn down shite that isn’t offered. What is the relevance? Why did you bring it up?


My point is that Cohen and Davis are telegraphing to the public, Mueller, Trumpworld, and perhaps most importantly, to the GOP in Congress, that this shite is serious and it isn't going away. He will happily turn over everything he knows to not only reduce his sentence, but to rid this country of a traitorous president.

I mean y'all can keep your heads in the sand, but what Davis said last night and this morning should scare the living frick out of any Trump loyalist. Ya boy's fixer and confidante has flipped on him and has a lot to tell, including treasonous cooperation with an enemy to turn an election using stolen information, hacking of voting infrastructure, and illegal campaign contributions to silence adulterous stories 2 weeks before an election he won by only 77,000 votes across three states.

I'd say it'd be best for him to just resign at this point but, he's not that big of an idiot, he'd be arrested as soon as he walked out the WH door.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59471 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:26 am to
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isn't all that complicated. You can speak in confidence with your attorney about a crime but you can't use your attorney to help you perpetuate a crime.


Now apply that to what the OP said and tell me if it applies. Because that is what the poster you are white knighting for said. You are right. This isn’t difficult stuff.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 8:27 am
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
10189 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:26 am to
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What is Trump's alleged crime here?


Are you being intentionally dense?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:27 am to
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Do Trump people really find this incredible?


Another lawyer using the Trump TDS as a way to earn publicity? Not really
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65870 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:27 am to
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My point is that Cohen and Davis are telegraphing to the public, Mueller, Trumpworld, and perhaps most importantly, to the GOP in Congress, that this shite is serious and it isn't going away.


No they aren't. They're screaming out in desperation.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:27 am to
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about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not Mr. Trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on"


What is Trump's alleged crime here?


There is no crime. Just a finable campaign issue that almost every president has been guilty of.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:28 am to
Enlighten me and quote the applicable statutes. Thank you.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59471 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:28 am to
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My point is that Cohen and Davis are telegraphing to the public, Mueller, Trumpworld, and perhaps most importantly, to the GOP in Congress, that this shite is serious and it isn't going away




quote:

He will happily turn over everything he knows to not only reduce his sentence, but to rid this country of a traitorous president.

the plea deal is done. If this was his plan, he is an awful negotiator.

When nothing comes of this...will you admit to having your head in the sand?
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
10189 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:29 am to
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No they aren't. They're screaming out in desperation.




He's already had 64 years of prison time reduced to 5-6. Why do you think that is? Because SDNY felt bad for him?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59471 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:30 am to
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I'd say it'd be best for him to just resign at this point but, he's not that big of an idiot, he'd be arrested as soon as he walked out the WH door.


oh my. Tell us...what code section, specifically, do you think was violated that will lead to arrest. Remember to be specific.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:30 am to
I'll ask again, what crimes did Trump commit as referenced by this lawyer? Please quote the federal statutes.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:31 am to
I really didn't think all this was that big of a deal until I saw Bonds try to convince everyone on the board it isn't a big deal for like 18 hours straight so far
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:31 am to
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are you saying if a person/target/defendant tells his attorney he committed a crime, the crime/fraud exception allows the lawyer to disclose? My god. You are using legal terms...unfortunately you have no idea what they mean. How embarrassing for you.


No, if a lawyer participates in furtherance of the crime or conspires to help to obstruct justice then the privilege is gone.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:31 am to
What's the crime?
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
10189 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:32 am to
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oh my. Tell us...what code section, specifically, do you think was violated that will lead to arrest. Remember to be specific.


Flip away from Fox and you'll find that there have been campaign finance legal experts on every other major news network for the past 16 hours explaining this to viewers.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59471 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:33 am to
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He's already had 64 years of prison time reduced to 5-6.


That isn’t how it works....at all. Sentencing guidelines and sentencing recommendations aren’t your forte? If he had anything....he would have turned it over. It makes ZERO sense to wait until after the deal. I mean....this isn’t difficult stuff.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 8:34 am
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