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Snopes says you are all wrong, this didn’t start until May 2018
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:54 pm
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Thoughts?
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There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States:
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:55 pm to Fun Bunch
You care what Snopes says because...?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Snopes used to be good about debunking internet pranks and spam.
That was a long time ago, though.
That was a long time ago, though.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Technically there is no federal law that expressly provides this
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:56 pm to Fun Bunch
snopes is liberal lying sack of shite site
i saw george w bush playing the guitar in front of the convention center with my own eyes
i saw george w bush playing the guitar in front of the convention center with my own eyes
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Well, wouldn’t enacting zero tolerance mean there would have to be a policy in place in the first place?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:57 pm to DavidTheGnome
I don’t I hate snopes. I’m just stirring shite.
And want some counterpoints. I’m too lazy to do my own research.
And want some counterpoints. I’m too lazy to do my own research.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:57 pm to Fun Bunch
They are correct that no federal law specifically requires separation. However, if the parents are going to be detained pending their removal the effect of the law is that children must be separated. They are playing a semantics game. Par for the course for snopes.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Snopes is Soros. Nuff said
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Snopes is correct.
Separating kids from the adults happened occasionally under Clinton-Bush-Obama. But it is the Trump Admin who started it bigtime as of April 6, 2018 as part of their Zero Tolerance plan and in the hope of deterring asylum seekers.
Separating kids from the adults happened occasionally under Clinton-Bush-Obama. But it is the Trump Admin who started it bigtime as of April 6, 2018 as part of their Zero Tolerance plan and in the hope of deterring asylum seekers.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:00 pm to Fun Bunch
K;you know the rest
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:01 pm to Fun Bunch
There is a federal law saying that adults entering the US illegally are guilty of a criminal offense. The change in policy is that those criminal offenders are being criminally prosecuted. And like all criminal prosecutions, the children don’t go to jail with the parents. Hence the seperation.
It might be a shite law, but pretending like there’s nothing wrong with entering the country illegaly is asinine. If you hate trump and hate what is happening, it’s an easy fix. Change the law.
This is a very bad look for snopes. They know full well that this...
It might be a shite law, but pretending like there’s nothing wrong with entering the country illegaly is asinine. If you hate trump and hate what is happening, it’s an easy fix. Change the law.
This is a very bad look for snopes. They know full well that this...
quote:...was never the argument
There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:01 pm to Fun Bunch
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An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy
So in other words, the law existed, but wasn’t enforced? Meaning trump admin didn’t create the law, just enforced it? Like exactly what he said, it’s their (dems) law?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:04 pm to TH03
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So in other words, the law existed, but wasn’t enforced? Meaning trump admin didn’t create the law, just enforced it? Like exactly what he said, it’s their (dems) law?
Exactly.
It’s like people have been speeding on a stretch of highway for 2 decades, and LO let it slide and a new sheriff comes on board and starts enforcing the speed limit and everybody loses their shite.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:05 pm to 3nOut
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It’s like people have been speeding on a stretch of highway for 2 decades, and LO let it slide and a new sheriff comes on board and starts enforcing the speed limit and everybody loses their shite.
“But the old sheriff let us break the law! You’re the devil for following the laws of this country!!”
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:18 pm to Fun Bunch
This is how I understand it.
The zero tolerance relates to ending catch and release, which is an unofficial policy enacted as a result of the 1997 court decision prohibiting the detention of accompanied minors for more than 20 days. Due to that decision, you either had to separate kids from adults so you could hold the kids longer while processing the adult, or release all of them to the community with a promise to return. Due to noncompliance, Trump deemed it necessary to fully enforce immigration laws, meaning adult immigrants are not allowed to be released until processed. Sine that typically takes more than 20 days, it is necessary to separate the kids and adults.
It didn't start with Trump. 1997 caused admims to make a decision, separate or release. For the most part, they chose to release and avoid the 20 day issue. Trump chose the more restrictive option due to decades of noncompliance leading to unmitigated entry into the country and unsavory people using kids, often not their own, as a "battering ram" into the US.
He didn't create any policy, he simply chose the more prudent, albeit triggering, method of immigration enforcement.
The zero tolerance relates to ending catch and release, which is an unofficial policy enacted as a result of the 1997 court decision prohibiting the detention of accompanied minors for more than 20 days. Due to that decision, you either had to separate kids from adults so you could hold the kids longer while processing the adult, or release all of them to the community with a promise to return. Due to noncompliance, Trump deemed it necessary to fully enforce immigration laws, meaning adult immigrants are not allowed to be released until processed. Sine that typically takes more than 20 days, it is necessary to separate the kids and adults.
It didn't start with Trump. 1997 caused admims to make a decision, separate or release. For the most part, they chose to release and avoid the 20 day issue. Trump chose the more restrictive option due to decades of noncompliance leading to unmitigated entry into the country and unsavory people using kids, often not their own, as a "battering ram" into the US.
He didn't create any policy, he simply chose the more prudent, albeit triggering, method of immigration enforcement.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:21 pm to GRTiger
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He didn't create any policy, he simply chose the more prudent, albeit triggering, method of immigration enforcement.
Bingo. Good post.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:24 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
a change in enforcement policy
What are they enforcing? The law?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:25 pm to TH03
Also, Snopes, to nobody's surprise, very artfully characterizes Trump's enforcement in as bad a way as possible, and leans over the line of a lie.
He did not change the policy in prosecution of illegal immigrants. He simply changed the logistics. They are being processed to the exact same end as always. They are just required to remain detained rather than be let go with a pinky swear and a one way bus ticket.
He did not change the policy in prosecution of illegal immigrants. He simply changed the logistics. They are being processed to the exact same end as always. They are just required to remain detained rather than be let go with a pinky swear and a one way bus ticket.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to Fun Bunch
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An increase in child detainees separated from parents
in·crease
verb
in'kres
1.
become or make greater in size, amount, intensity, or degree.
noun
'inkres
1.
an instance of growing or making greater.
So, Snopes has verified that this was happening with previous administrations, but has increased since April. To what degree?
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:37 pm
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