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re: Snopes makes Pravda look good..re Trump mugging
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:07 pm to Strannix
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:07 pm to Strannix
And this is why they state that:
The newspaper article that YOU posted included the following from a witness:
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Hence why it got labeled as "Unproven". Because even the news story itself carries contradictory information.
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However, the public record of the incident all stems from a single report, and even that account was contradictory about exactly what took place. One named witness asserted that the would-be mugger had already run off by the time Trump exited his limo, and the billionaire did nothing more than join a crowd of onlookers after the fact. Another anonymous witness supported Trump’s account, maintaining that the bat-wielder had apparently dropped his weapon in response to the billionaire’s verbally confronting him. Local police said they could provide no information about what transpired, as the incident wasn’t reported to them
The newspaper article that YOU posted included the following from a witness:
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“A lot of people were surprised that he got out to see what was happening,” Romeo said, adding that the bat-wielder ran off just before Trump actually appeared, and that Trump, “just looked around and went back into his limo.”
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But another witness, who asked not to be identified, supported Trump’s tale.
“All of a sudden, a big long limousine pulls up on an angle, and Donald Trump pops out with the blond, too,” the witness said. “There was a guy with a bat, hitting a guy over the head, and Trump yelled, ‘Put that bat down. What are you doing?’ The guy dropped the bat, came over and started talking to him.”
Hence why it got labeled as "Unproven". Because even the news story itself carries contradictory information.
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:10 pm to BeefDawg
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statistical impossibility
LOL, no.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:11 pm to texridder
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Yea, the 2 accounts that match are Trump's account and that of the "unidentified" witness.
The only named/identified witness said the mugger was gone when Trump got out of his limo. And if there was a beating with a baseball bat, and a Doctor attending the victim, and an ambulance called to the scene -- why no police report?
And this is what I'm talking about. You Lefty fricks simply can't be honest.
Read the article again. He said a man claiming to be a doctor started helping, and he left when he heard an ambulance was on the way.
Maybe the guy got up and left himself. Maybe he was a criminal and getting roughed up for being a bad dude. Maybe he didn't want to be helped and risk dealing with police.
So all you're doing is trying to formulate a scenario that fits your wants, but based totally on assumptions supported by nothing.
The Romeo girl must be wrong, period.
Because again, how can one witness and Trump be identically wrong? How is it remotely possible to be wrong with the same exact version of events?
That is a statistical impossibility in this case.
The witness saying Trump told the mugger to "Put down the bat.", then the mugger stopped and spoke to Trump, then the mugger left.
How did he possibly pull that out of his arse and it just happens to match perfectly with what Trump said?
It's not possible for him to have fabricated that and just gotten lucky that it matches perfectly with what Trump said happened.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:14 pm to skrayper
Sometimes it’s easier to see just how accurate source is by changing the people in it. Let’s say obama would have gotten out of a limo and “stopped a mugging” and had 2 conflicting witness stories like this. Do you think everyone here would have taken the side of the person who said “All of a sudden, a big long limousine pulls up on an angle, and barack obama pops out with the blond, too,” the witness said. “There was a guy with a bat, hitting a guy over the head, and Obama yelled, ‘Put that bat down. What are you doing?’ The guy dropped the bat, came over and started talking to him.” Or do you think there would be some discrepancies over which story the audience believes?
That is precisely why this is labeled unproven, it’s simply which story people want to be true.
That is precisely why this is labeled unproven, it’s simply which story people want to be true.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:16 pm to BeefDawg
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It's not possible for him to have fabricated that
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:18 pm to skrayper
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LOL, no.
LOL, yes.
Let's say you, me, and Rex witness an event. The 3 of us go our separate ways. A few days later, someone comes to each of us and asks us for our version of the event.
You and I have the exact same story almost to the T.
Rex tells a different version.
If you and I are wrong, what are the chances that we came up with the same incorrect version of the event? Like virtually every detail we state is identical.
What's the probability that we independently got the story wrong in the exact same manner?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:20 pm to TH03
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Y'all try too hard to be persecuted.
The article states the only report of the incident has 2 conflicting witness statements and it's impossible to say which one is right almost 30 years later.
One witness says the mugger ran off before Trump got there, one says he ran him off. You're deciding to believe the one that fits your narrative.
Not everything that doesn't go your way is liberal propaganda.
Yeah I know, common sense makes me prog filth or a SJW or whatever other parroted phrase.
What about the car full of people (5) with Trump and at least one more unidentified witness who saw the exchange? We are not allowed to take the report at face value because they found a 16 year old in a crowd who didn't see it?
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Y'all try too hard to bash Trump over every little thing.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:21 pm to olddawg26
This is what I'm talking about you being trash.
By your retarded logic, the witness must of been psychic.
By your retarded logic, the witness must of been psychic.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:28 pm to BeefDawg
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If you and I are wrong, what are the chances that we came up with the same incorrect version of the event? Like virtually every detail we state is identical.
Where are you getting this idea that there was some in-depth description occurred regarding these events? One sentence descriptions do not equate to giving a multi-paragraph report on the events.
And no one gave a police report.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:37 pm to skrayper
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Where are you getting this idea that there was some in-depth description occurred regarding these events? One sentence descriptions do not equate to giving a multi-paragraph report on the events.
James Rosen interviewed Trump and got his version.
Then later he found and interviewed the two witnesses.
One witness statement given to Rosen, which he documents in the article, is literally the same exact chronology and context and even syntax of what Trump claims he verbally said to the mugger.
Do you understand the possibility of the witness and Trump getting that kind of match and it be the wrong version of events?
This is basic logical deduction and statistical probability, folks. The chances of that are ZERO, nada, nil.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:41 pm to Vacherie Saint
This thread is a microcosm of our political arena. Arguing worthless crap, still picking "sides" and not giving an inch.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:43 pm to BeefDawg
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Do you understand the possibility of the witness and Trump getting that kind of match and it be the wrong version of events?
This is basic logical deduction and statistical probability, folks. The chances of that are ZERO, nada, nil.
The anonymous witness.
Key word in that.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It could have happened either way. I don’t disagree with rating it as unproven. How is that biased in any direction?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This thread is a microcosm of our political arena
Three sides.
One side insists he's lying
One side insists he's telling the truth
One side points out that site is right and that accounts differ
Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump side both attacking the third group.
Still validates your point though.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:55 pm to skrayper
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The anonymous witness.
Key word in that.
So now you're refusing to acknowledge that it is in fact a "statistical impossibility" and have moved on to "James Rosen, Trump, 4 other people in Trump's car, an potentially a crowd of people are all in on a conspiracy to help Trump look like a brave guy."
Yeah, good luck with that. You freaking people kill me.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:59 pm to BeefDawg
It's not worth arguing over. If he's proven wrong I'll laugh at him like I did with Hillary and her sniper fire. Until ypthen it's a non issue
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:01 pm to BeefDawg
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So now you're refusing to acknowledge that it is in fact a "statistical impossibility" and have moved on to "James Rosen, Trump, 4 other people in Trump's car, an potentially a crowd of people are all in on a conspiracy to help Trump look like a brave guy."
Out of that entire list, only the anonymous witness actually corroborates Trump's account. There is literally no one else - not a single person from his car, or any other member of the crowd - that actually confirms a dang thing.
The article on which this entire thing is based has three accounts:
Trump's
An unknown person
A named individual
Literally nothing you keep saying happened happened. There was no slew of people all saying the same thing. There was no in-depth eye witness account that gives lengthy testimony that matches Trump's statement.
I never said Trump was lying, only that Snopes stating that the account is "Unproven" based on the data provided is the correct stance.
Your personal attacks pretty much confirm how little you can actually defend your position though.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:22 pm to skrayper
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There was no slew of people all saying the same thing.
I never said there was.
The Rosen article was public knowledge and nobody, except a 16 year old girl, has come forward to contradict Trump's and the other witnesses version of events.
You're being intellectually dishonest acting like I said shite I didn't say.
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There was no in-depth eye witness account that gives lengthy testimony that matches Trump's statement.
Why are you exaggerating and suggesting this is even needed?
We have an independent witness that got chronology, context, and syntax exactly matching with Trump's.
That's all I've said happened. And that is enough to prove the case, because again, it is a statistical impossibility to get all that matching without it being the correct version of events.
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Your personal attacks pretty much confirm how little you can actually defend your position though.
I call retard's, retard's when I see them.
You are purposely avoiding acknowledging that Trump and a witness matching statements exactly is enough proof that they have the correct version of events, which means the Snopes "unproven" claim can't be correct.
You're acting like one of the witnesses wanting to keep his name out of the paper means he's illegitimate or something.
Get out of here with that shite.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:30 pm to BeefDawg
You're embarrassing yourself trying to prop up Trump as a vigilante hero. He literally admits that he's scared at the sight of blood. 
You have fallen for John Barron's fake news once again
You have fallen for John Barron's fake news once again
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:38 pm to mindbreaker
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Baaaa you little sheep to whatever your shepherd tells you and get back to me when you learn to think for yourselves you mindless drones.
Pretty sure you and the rest of the filth are the mindless drones, listening to, and repeating everything your CNN-overlords tell you to
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