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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:15 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:15 pm to FooManChoo
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I haven't heard a peep about it. In fact, all of the public comments made have been the opposite
You have a lot more faith and trust in the cable companies than I do.
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There isn't any financial benefit to limiting access.
In many markets, there is only one ISP. I'm in a major city, and I only have 2 options. They don't need a financial benefit to limiting access when they know the consumer has little to no other alternative.
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:16 pm to olddawg26
quote:then you are usually right
really being serious with the comment, but I think repealing NN was a bad move. In the vast majority of issues I think government regulation is a bad thing,
quote:you should stick with your normal instincts
this is one of the only ones I think for now they’re needed
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:19 pm to DeathValley85
quote:It's basic economics. Supply and demand. The more supply you have, the lower the prices and better the available options due to competition. Barriers to market entry limit competition which limits incentive to provide better services for cheaper prices.
I’m perhaps maybe just a cynic but I don’t think when you remove the government in this situation that you remove the barriers. I don’t expect competition to come forth at all.
So in my view you might as well just keep the NN bandaid.
There is a lot of money to be made with providing internet service. If the government gets out of the way, innovative companies will find a way to get in to make that money and provide something useful that the people want in return.
And for the life of me, I don't get why everyone thinks repealing NN will spell doom and gloom. NN was only in place for a few years and it was hardly Armageddon prior to the regulations being put in place.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:25 pm to The Spleen
quote:I have a hell of a lot more faith in companies than I do government. Assuming competition exists, companies have to bend over backwards to get my business and keep it. The government? Not so much.
You have a lot more faith and trust in the cable companies than I do.
Businesses have no power over me that I don't give them. They can't forcibly take my money without me entering into an agreement with them first. They can't take away my rights or put me in jail. They can't take away my life. The government can do all those things.
So yeah, if I had to trust greedy corporations that will do whatever they can to convince me to give them more money over power-hungry politicians that are always seeking to gain more power over me with or without my consent, I'll always choose the former.
quote:That's why competition needs to be encouraged, not discouraged. Businesses are still businesses and they will push the envelope only enough so that they don't lose money. As long as there is an alternative, they have to stay (mostly) honest so they don't lose customers. The more competition there is, there more honest businesses have to be.
In many markets, there is only one ISP. I'm in a major city, and I only have 2 options. They don't need a financial benefit to limiting access when they know the consumer has little to no other alternative.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:33 pm to FooManChoo
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I have a hell of a lot more faith in companies than I do government. Assuming competition exists, companies have to bend over backwards to get my business and keep it. The government? Not so much.
Well, the government isn't providing the service in this argument so it's a false dichotomy. It's simply overseeing a service provided to citizens and making sure the citizen isn't being taken advantage of.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:38 pm to The Spleen
quote:We're talking about where the power lives: the businesses who provide the services or the politicians who create the regulations for those services. NN is saying that we want the government to ultimately control what happens with access to the internet rather than the ISPs. It's possible for ISPs to have competition, but we only have one government.
Well, the government isn't providing the service in this argument so it's a false dichotomy. It's simply overseeing a service provided to citizens and making sure the citizen isn't being taken advantage of.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:52 pm to FooManChoo
Bingo. NN was a very poor solution to try and fix the wrong problem.
Hell, even the issues that the Pro-NN regulation people in this thread have been offering, it doesn't really address.
This biggest problem in this debate, is that there is a ideal goal of what NN is, then there is the regulation that just used that name to garner support. It really doesn't achieve the goals people want, it just sounds like it does.
Hell, even the issues that the Pro-NN regulation people in this thread have been offering, it doesn't really address.
This biggest problem in this debate, is that there is a ideal goal of what NN is, then there is the regulation that just used that name to garner support. It really doesn't achieve the goals people want, it just sounds like it does.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:04 pm to bmy
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fricking freedom
Not sure you know what freedom means.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:19 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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Just one more plank to hammer into their more government, more regs platform.
Just one more anti-consumer stance the GOP takes. This is the sort of thing Democrats should be talking more about.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Wrong. We both want what's best for the consumer but disagree with how to achieve that.
Just one more anti-consumer stance the GOP takes. This is the sort of thing Democrats should be talking more about
The GOP believes the best thing for the consumer is less regulation and more competition. The Dems believe the best thing for the consumer is more regulation and government control. We have completely different philosophical beliefs on what is "best" for the consumer.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:29 pm to IllegalPete
Lovers of good internet rejoice.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:30 pm to FooManChoo
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We both want what's best for the consumer
Lol no. You want what’s best for Wall Street and Corporate executives, which often is diametrically opposed to what’s best for the consumer.
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The GOP believes the best thing for the consumer is less regulation and more competition.
Lulz, in this case you either
A) Don’t know anything about how the ISP business works or
B) Do know and are just shilling for your corporate oligarch overlords.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:31 pm to sicboy
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Lovers of good internet rejoice.
Yeah the internet has been just awful since the repeal
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:33 pm to SDVTiger
Because it's had so much time.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:42 pm to bmy
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constitution is a regulatory document
WTF
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:43 pm to SDVTiger
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Yeah the internet has been just awful since the repeal
Because the repeal hasn’t been enacted yet but keep commenting on topics you know nothing about.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:46 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Because the repeal hasn’t been enacted yet but keep commenting on topics you know nothing about.
like you sky screamers have any clue on what would have happened Muh Netflix tho
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:47 pm to SDVTiger
I’m a republican and voted Trump you dipshit
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:48 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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’m a republican and voted Trump you dipshit
Ok? That doesnt change the fact you have no idea what would have happened. Moron
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:50 pm to brian_wilson
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its a winning issue for the dems IMHO in the fall
Oh, please.
Joe 6-pack has no fricking clue about this and is not going to base his vote on it.
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