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Since the Caucus is today, a question for Trump supporters

Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:29 am
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:29 am
Polls are showing Trump winning by 28-43 points with Haley in 2nd. Personally I think Trump still wins but it is much closer and Haley finishes 3rd and potentially 4th behind Vivek who seems to be having a late surge.

If this race is within 10 points though how many of you will recognize that the polls are a psyop? That would be a MASSIVE miss across the board.

Trump has already been pushing the "stolen" narrative which of course is literally impossible in a Caucus. Everyone has to vote in person with an ID. It's the most secure form of voting possible.

Like I said I expect Trump to win comfortably and if so I think the small chance DeSantis had of winning drops to almost nothing. His only shot at that point would literally be Trump having a heart attack or something. Haley and Vivek both have no path to win. Haley's base of support is literally Independents and Dems voting in the GOP Primary. Vivek is a distant 4th and doesn't even have delegates in many states.

I'm just interested to see the perspectives of Trump supporters prior to the vote in the case that it is very close or Trump loses today. I can see a lot of reasons why it could happen based on ground game alone and Caucus commits. Will the first reaction be that "Well, the polls in other places show him way up so it doesn't matter that these polls were way off." and essentially say that polls matter more than votes?

Should be an interesting day either way.
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
3801 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:31 am to
So trump winning is somehow indicative that he’s really losing?

Lmao yall are reaching so far you are psyopping yourselves.

People want things the way it was back in 2019.

It’s not rocket science people. They don’t care abouT mean tweets anymore after their pocket book has been messed with for 3 years
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8188 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:33 am to
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If this race is within 10 points though how many of you will recognize that the polls are a psyop?

What’s the largest margin of victory in Iowa history?

Of course the polls are a pysop. No one should trust any of the polls.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8188 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:34 am to
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So trump winning is somehow indicative that he’s really losing?

Yes, that will be the narrative. Trump wins by 8 but it’s really a loss because the polls said he was up by 30.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9242 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:35 am to
Polls are pointless when the presidential election, of the most powerful nation in the world, was rigged in 2020. Nothing else below that matters until rigged elections are stopped. Everything else is meaningless. Even if you have a candidate that you think would be a better fit for the Whitehouse, rigged elections will stop your candidate if the Marxists are afraid of what that person will do to unravel their crimes and plans for America.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
35369 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:35 am to
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I'm just interested to see the perspectives of Trump supporters prior to the vote in the case that it is very close or Trump loses today.


Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28103 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:36 am to
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Trump has already been pushing the "stolen" narrative which of course is literally impossible in a Caucus. Everyone has to vote in person with an ID. It's the most secure form of voting possible.



100%, for the GOP side. The ballots are secret, and yet anyone can watch them be counted. The process is about as secure as it gets in American politics. I wish all of our elections were conducted like this.

That won't keep Trump from whining about muh fraud if it doesn't turn out how he likes. Hell, his campaign alresdy has done that preemptively.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54621 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:41 am to
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If this race is within 10 points though how many of you will recognize that the polls are a psyop?


Take off the tinfoil dude.

Any college kid that passed an intro level Stats class can tell you to read the fine print of a poll. Most of these polls are just polling 200 to 1,200 people. Guessing a much larger margin of error is probable than modern polls tell you.

In computer speak, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" aka GIGO.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30591 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:56 am to
That cocksucker's begging the wrong person. He needs to be in DC pounding on Biden's door!
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56385 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:59 am to
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Personally I think Trump still wins but it is much closer and Haley finishes 3rd and potentially 4th behind Vivek who seems to be having a late surge.


This is my prediction as well.

quote:

If this race is within 10 points though how many of you will recognize that the polls are a psyop?


Totally disagree. Iowa is different. The caucus itself makes this difficult to measure. Desantis has worked his arse off in Iowa. He's lived down there for a couple of months. And, Trump hasn't. He didn't have the luxury to do that. Beating Desantis in Iowa would be a major victory for Trump and indicative that there was nothing Desantis could have done to beat Trump.

On a national level, the polling is pretty accurate. In a standard primary, the Iowa polls would be pretty accurate. But, Desantis is bringing a ground game to Iowa. He's going to outperform, IMO.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38217 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:07 am to
Trump and DeSantis are going to be within 5 points tonight if we consider the ground operation, the weather, and motivation. Both in the 30s probably both 35+. Vivek will surpass Haley and they will combine for 20-25 points.

If I had to guess:

DeSantis: 37%
Trump: 36%
Vivek: 15%
Haley: 10%
Others: 2%
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 11:09 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12507 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:29 am to
Everyone knows polls are not always correct . If Trump wins by 20+% then it will show the polls are correct that he is the heavy favorite and the others are just in it to try and bring him down any way possible. I think Trump wins by about 24%.

I think Ron supporters will be disappointed. This one of if not the state he should do the best . I think Haley has a more solid base as a clear rhino. Desantis playing both sides doesn’t give him a big base .
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
1657 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:40 am to
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will recognize that the polls are a psyop

You have no idea who Ann Selzer from the Des Moines Register is do you? You should look up her track record of how accurate her polling is.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
3726 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:43 am to
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I'm just interested to see the perspectives of Trump supporters prior to the vote


Do you really have to ask?

If Trump wins, that means it was a fair vote. If anyone else wins, The Deep State cheated.

I could have saved you lots of time typing what you typed if that's all you want to know.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27486 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:44 am to
I think the weather really will play a big deal. Old fricks who lean heavy to Trump aren't going to go out in this shite. Then again they are cult like, who who really knows.
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:55 am to
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If this race is within 10 points though how many of you will recognize that the polls are a psyop? That would be a MASSIVE miss across the board.


I would say a party switch is not below the moral threshold of the democrat voter. It's actually right in line with their tactics.
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:58 am to
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Then again they are cult like, who who really knows.


Why is wanting Trump to win being in a cult? Has the meaning of cult gone the way of the term racist? Used to have a meaning now it's just a word to describe anything you don't like.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38217 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:01 pm to
I’m looking at who has the most motivation and fervent support.

The poll out this morning about the soft MAGA support leads me to believe that there will be an opportunity to flip votes at the caucus sites. Both Ron and Vivek’s precinct captains will be battling it out over soft Trump supporters
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73291 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:09 pm to
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I think Trump still wins but it is much closer


Thats the entire goal. And you Desantatards are falling for it hook line and sinker
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 12:14 pm to
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quote:
will recognize that the polls are a psyop


You have no idea who Ann Selzer from the Des Moines Register is do you? You should look up her track record of how accurate her polling is.


Actually I am very familiar but have also heard some thing to question the DMR this go round. FWIW they have not polled as often as usual and are closer than other polls. They also have put out some disclaimer type language in case they have a big miss.

That's really not the point though. The point is what if they are wrong. What if the race is within 10 points of DeSantis wins. If Trump wins by 20+ I don't really see much of a path for anyone. The only point of staying in is that Trump has a health issue or drops out for some other reason which is unlikely.

So what happens if the polls are wrong not "the polls are awesome and we shouldn't even consider that". Will the attitude be "Well, the polls missed by 20-30 points or more in Iowa but they are TOTALLY accurate everywhere else so we need to end the primaries NOW!" That seems to be Trump's position.

As to why this matters as well it if this race is within 10 then I would argue the use of polls is election interference. Trump has gotten special treatment based on those polls. He didn't have to debate. He got more coverage. Every time his opponents were interviewed they had to answer questions about the polls and justify why they are even bothering to stay in.

We didn't used to do things this way. Polls prior to Iowa and NH were treated more like a novelty. They didn't really get serious until after the first few primaries came in. You sometimes had candidates not even join the race until shortly before Iowa. We have thrown all of that out this time.

As I said I expect Trump to win comfortably and if so I can accept that. If he doesn't though and this race has really been much closer all along I'm going to be pretty pissed though about how polls have been used to manipulate this race. Honestly we all should be even if you are a Trump voter but care about the GOP and how elections are conducted in general. Voters should decide not the media and pollsters and who pays them.
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