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Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:47 am to TbirdSpur2010
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What gets me is religious folks placing homosexuality as it's own special sin worthy of extra derision/ostracization over the rest.
Because other sins can be repented of and not repeated habitually. Only if homosexuals choose to be celibate or enter into a heterosexual relationship can they actually repent from their deeds.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:47 am to FooManChoo
quote:xiv knows as much about Koine Greek as I know about horticulture. He read a pamphlet somewhere. I've seen the same talking points numerous times.
How about you compare the dozens of translations? Are you saying that Biblical scholars and experts in Greek are all wrong with their interpretation of homosexuality in these verses?
1 Cor. 6:9
1 Tim. 1:10
Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. Marriage in the USA is a civil issue and the Constitution seems to allow for the right of every adult to marry the person of their choice, same sex or otherwise. I have no personal problem with homosexuality. I never even think about it, to be honest. I have gay friends. Yada yada yada.
Having said all that, I have read the Bible cover to cover more than once. Anyone who says the Bible does not take a dim view of homosexuality is either lying, or has never read the Bible. It is condemned in both Testaments. I don't think it's any worse than other sexual sins, but it is definitely presented as one of the sexual sins. I'd have more respect for someone if they just said they aren't persuaded by the Bible's teachings than see them try to make the Bible say something it doesn't.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:04 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:50 am to L.A.
Nm
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:16 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:14 am to FooManChoo
quote:Even if so, the Bible still isn’t universally condemning homosexuality.
How about you compare the dozens of translations? Are you saying that Biblical scholars and experts in Greek are all wrong with their interpretation of homosexuality in these verses?
You’re not going to wish it true, ever.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:17 am to Revelator
quote:There’s no excuse for your being this dumb. “Naturally occurring” has neither a good nor bad connotation.
Some pedophiles get boners when around tiny babies. I guess soon you'll be telling us that God's ok with this as well.
As for homosexuality, it occurs naturally in many species, including Homo sapiens . This makes it neither good nor bad. You’re the one who wants it to be anything other than “whatever,” and you want it so badly that you are choosing to believe that it does not occur in nature. That’s something that only stupid idiots believe.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:31 am to theronswanson
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There are plenty of things to not like about him, but is being gay one of them? Especially if the Republican party claims to be party of inclusion?
The Republican Party has embraced gay people. Peter Thiel spoke at the RNC in 2016 for god’s sake and talked about being a gay republican. Trump just started an initiative to decriminalize homosexuality across the world. Come on man.
This guy is just a hypocrite, like all dems
Posted on 8/1/19 at 4:51 am to xiv
Why do you continually "read" into people's thoughts claiming that they want to believe so badly that gay acts are sinful?
You come off as believing that the people who read and study scripture are bringing a personal bias to their study if they claim gay acts are sinful according to scripture. Its plain as day though and try as some progressives may to reconcile things it doesn't work.
As others have said...if you don't believe scripture that is one thing but to warp it is another.
Now the main question is why do you believe traditional Christian views on this matter want it to be true? Why would people want that? Did you have a bad experience that made you believe all traditional Christians hated gays and are looking for ways to show them how bad they are in scripture?
Is this idea stemming from some sophomoric slurring like you see on a message board like this? That stuff is wrong.
I disagree with you on your interpretation of scripture (and I don't think it's really close tbh) and I disagree with your interpretation of the typical orthodox Christian mind/heart. I believe the vast majority of traditional Christians are very uncomfortable with the bible saying that gay acts are sinful. They are not "digging" for ways to make it so. At the same time they remain faithful to the Word despite questions and personal discomfort and societal disapproval (nowadays) surrounding the doctrine.
Where did you generate this idea that Christians so badly want this doctrine to be true?
You come off as believing that the people who read and study scripture are bringing a personal bias to their study if they claim gay acts are sinful according to scripture. Its plain as day though and try as some progressives may to reconcile things it doesn't work.
As others have said...if you don't believe scripture that is one thing but to warp it is another.
Now the main question is why do you believe traditional Christian views on this matter want it to be true? Why would people want that? Did you have a bad experience that made you believe all traditional Christians hated gays and are looking for ways to show them how bad they are in scripture?
Is this idea stemming from some sophomoric slurring like you see on a message board like this? That stuff is wrong.
I disagree with you on your interpretation of scripture (and I don't think it's really close tbh) and I disagree with your interpretation of the typical orthodox Christian mind/heart. I believe the vast majority of traditional Christians are very uncomfortable with the bible saying that gay acts are sinful. They are not "digging" for ways to make it so. At the same time they remain faithful to the Word despite questions and personal discomfort and societal disapproval (nowadays) surrounding the doctrine.
Where did you generate this idea that Christians so badly want this doctrine to be true?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:07 am to crazyatthecamp
quote:Obviously it isn’t plain as day that the Bible universally condemns homosexuality, or there would be no debate.
Its plain as day
quote:Because they fight so hard trying to make it true.
Now the main question is why do you believe traditional Christian views on this matter want it to be true?
quote:At least two of them in this thread deny that homosexuality occurs naturally.
They are not "digging" for ways to make it so.
quote:Simple. They made it doctrine.
Where did you generate this idea that Christians so badly want this doctrine to be true?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:38 am to FooManChoo
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the lifestyle and its acceptance (and celebration) has been forced upon me
No it hasn't.
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with the goal of changing society so that I become the deviant for thinking its sinful.
Think whatever you want. Lots of shite you do every day is considered untoward by folks who hold a different belief system from you.
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No, it's no semantics. Only Christianity provides a rational basis for morality
Incorrect.
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Sin is sin, even when performed by otherwise godly men or women. The Bible is full of examples of fallen people being used for good things by God, but we aren't supposed to glorify sin.
Not everyone thinks like you do. And that's ok.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:40 am to Revelator
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Only if homosexuals choose to be celibate or enter into a heterosexual relationship can they actually repent from their deeds.
Silliness.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:47 am to Revelator
Mayor Pete could be like Kumala Harris and suck Willie's wee wee. They both would get the same enjoyment out of that.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:49 am to xiv
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Even if so, the Bible still isn’t universally condemning homosexuality.
Is homosexual sex a sin?
Yes or no.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:56 am to FooManChoo
quote:This is a lie. You will continue telling yourself and others this lie. Literally every thought about homosexuality you’ve ever thought comes from either a) your brain b) a message you choose to consume.
the lifestyle and its acceptance (and celebration) has been forced upon me
quote:ballpark
the goal of changing society so that I become the deviant for thinking its sinful.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:19 am to Revelator
He probably tore a bunch of books out of his Bible... That's assuming he even owns one.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:02 am to xiv
quote:It is. There is no plain reading of scripture that will lead you to any other conclusion. It's why Bible scholars for 2,000 years have come to this same conclusion, even in the Roman church who is notorious for flaunting sin.
Even if so, the Bible still isn’t universally condemning homosexuality.
quote:I don't have to "wish" it to be true. It's true.
You’re not going to wish it true, ever.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:24 am to FooManChoo
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It is. There is no plain reading of scripture that will lead you to any other conclusion. It's why Bible scholars for 2,000 years have come to this same conclusion, even in the Roman church who is notorious for flaunting sin.
Some other "plain reading of scripture" for you:
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Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church.
I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
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Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:25 am to FooManChoo
The Bible condemns shell fish eating, wearing clothes made out of different materials, adultery ( which includes just looking at a woman and thinking she is hot) but y'all all go back to homosexuality which is ludicrous because GOD made people gay ( there are also hundreds of animal species with documented homosexuality) but ignore all the other sins ( that most of you indulge in).
Don't come back with " those rules were just for jews" because Jesus clearly said " I did not come to change the laws but strengthen them".
The Bible is a book written by man, looked over by a atheist roman emperor who as a politician saw that the Christian sect was going to defeat the Pagans. Hell he even used Pagan holidays as Christian holidays and centuries later that was still done by adding easter , which is named after a pagan goddess. The Bible has contradiction after contradiction which thumpers choose to ignore.
The OP wanted to point out Mayor Pete's use of scriptures which I agree with the OP HOWEVER, THE Christian zealots came out Thumpin their man written bible and lo and behold are doing the exact same thing that Mayor Pete did which makes you no better. None of you are without sin and none of you are better than others so stop with the preaching and go back and read matthew 7:5 again.
Don't come back with " those rules were just for jews" because Jesus clearly said " I did not come to change the laws but strengthen them".
The Bible is a book written by man, looked over by a atheist roman emperor who as a politician saw that the Christian sect was going to defeat the Pagans. Hell he even used Pagan holidays as Christian holidays and centuries later that was still done by adding easter , which is named after a pagan goddess. The Bible has contradiction after contradiction which thumpers choose to ignore.
The OP wanted to point out Mayor Pete's use of scriptures which I agree with the OP HOWEVER, THE Christian zealots came out Thumpin their man written bible and lo and behold are doing the exact same thing that Mayor Pete did which makes you no better. None of you are without sin and none of you are better than others so stop with the preaching and go back and read matthew 7:5 again.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:28 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Sure it has. It's all throughout our culture. There are parades I have to drive through. I can't watch TV or movies any more without having it promoted as normal. It's in my kids anti-bullying information that I have to read. It's in my work. It's in politics. It's in memes. It's everywhere. Did I mention that we just had an entire month celebrating it with companies changing their logos for "awareness" (pandering, but yeah)? I can't escape it.
No it hasn't.
quote:Sure it is. It's a battle of worldviews and my worldview is being rejected more and more by society even though it's irrational to do so.
Think whatever you want. Lots of shite you do every day is considered untoward by folks who hold a different belief system from you.
quote:It's absolutely correct. Atheism can't account for reason, science, moral absolutes, classes or concepts, choice, and dignity. No other worldview (dualism or religious) can provide a consistent basis for these things, either. Only Christianity can and does.
Incorrect.
quote:You're right that not everyone thinks like I do, but why do you say that's OK? What standard are you using to make such a judgement?
Not everyone thinks like you do. And that's ok.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:31 am to xiv
quote:It's all throughout our culture. I can't simply ignore it. I have to have some sort of mental response to it at the very least because I'm not a zombie.
This is a lie. You will continue telling yourself and others this lie. Literally every thought about homosexuality you’ve ever thought comes from either a) your brain b) a message you choose to consume.
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