re: Since Mayor Pete loves quoting scriptures, what's the chance he quotes this one?

"'s absolutely correct. Atheism can't account for reason, science, moral absolutes, classes or concepts, choice, and dignity. No other worldview (dualism or religious) can provide a consistent basis for these things, either. Only Christianity can and does. "

So saying " it's because of GOD" makes it true? Ludicrous.

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I hope his quote would go something like this: For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. Or Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Or For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

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The part that “Christians” reference:

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.


The part they are missing:

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

The whole point of this piece of scripture is to inform people that they shouldn’t be hypocrites. You shouldn’t judge someone living in sin if you also live in sin. The verse is NOT saying to never judge.

Making a mistake and sinning and living a lifestyle of sin are two very different things.

FIRST remove the log from your own eye! THEN YOU WILL SEE CLEARLY ENOUGH TO REMOVE THE SPECK FROM YOUR BROTHERS EYE.

God permits righteous judgement. The only stipulations are that you not be a hypocrite and that you do it in a loving manner in order to help them see their sin rather than condemning them.

John 7:24

Do not judge by appearances, but JUDGE with right judgment.”

Leviticus 19:15

'You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to JUDGE your neighbor fairly.

Deuteronomy 16:18

"You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall JUDGE the people with righteous judgment.

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Where's the conflict you're having here?

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You agree with the plain reading of this? No context needed?

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Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church.

I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

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The Bible condemns shell fish eating, wearing clothes made out of different materials, adultery ( which includes just looking at a woman and thinking she is hot)

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First, the law of God is divided into different classes. There is the ceremonial law (laws meant to keep Israel separate from other nations and to point the people to the coming messiah through worship), the civil law (laws meant to help provide order and justice to the nation of Israel), and the moral law (laws based on the very character of God). The civil and ceremonial laws were applications of the moral law towards Jewish religion and civil governance respectively.

The laws regarding "cleanliness" (eating shellfish, wearing mixed threads, not touching a woman on her period, etc.) were fulfilled in Christ as the one who makes all people spiritually clean by His shed blood. The laws regarding the governance of Israel were fulfilled in Christ who is the Lord and King over all creation, not just the nation of Israel. Therefore the civil and ceremonial laws don't apply to Christians any longer.

The moral law, on the other hand, endures forever because it is a reflection of the very character of God and shows us what He approves and disapproves us. This can be summed up in the 10 commandments, which shows us how we are to act towards God and towards mankind. Laws regarding sexuality are wrapped up in the 8th commandment. This includes sins like fornication, adultery, and homosexuality. And yes, even lust is included in these sins, as Christ said.

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but y'all all go back to homosexuality

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We go to homosexuality because it's listed as a sin in the Bible. It's a violation of the 8th commandment and we are supposed to call all people repentance of their sins (including homosexuality) and faith in Jesus Christ for forgiveness. For Christians, we are supposed to confront one another in their sins (including their lust and homosexuality) and call them to repentance because we are supposed to be Christ-like, which is obedient to God's moral law.

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which is ludicrous because GOD made people gay ( there are also hundreds of animal species with documented homosexuality)

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First of all, without God, you have no basis to call anything "ludicrous" or to make any judgements at all.

Secondly, God doesn't make people gay. God creates people with sinful natures passed down through their parents going back all the way to Adam. We are all born with a sinful nature. That sin manifests itself in various ways. Some people are more prone to sin in sexual ways. Others through chemical dependencies. Some are very prideful, and so on. Sin comes in many flavors but it's no excuse to say "it's OK that I sin because God made me this way". God made mankind holy and our sin (the sin of our parents) made us unholy. We aren't sinners because we sin; we sin because we're sinners. Even so, our natural propensity to sin means that we need to recognize it as sinful and seek forgiveness through Christ and repentance of sin and obedience to God's moral law.

Secondly, you can't appeal to other animals to justify human sin. There is rape, theft, and murder and cannibalism in nature yet we don't use that as justification for our actions (though to be consistent, atheists should appeal to nature for these other "sins" to justify them, because if we are nothing but more advanced animals, there are no moral absolutes). Humans are created in the image of God and were given God's moral law to know right action. We are supposed to act differently than animals.

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but ignore all the other sins ( that most of you indulge in).

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Well don't lob that accusation at me, because I actually do perform self-reflection and I do recognize my various sins and I do repent of them. I also condemn them generally in society and specifically in others when calling people to repent and trust in Christ.

But even if we did hypocritically ignore all other sins, that doesn't make homosexuality not sinful by comparison. Sin is determined by God, not by man's inconsistencies.

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Don't come back with " those rules were just for jews" because Jesus clearly said " I did not come to change the laws but strengthen them".

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He said He came to "fulfill" them, but I understand your reference, and I covered that above. We don't perform sacrifices any longer according to the ceremonial laws because Christ is the once-for-all sacrifice that we are to look to. He is the fulfillment of those laws, which is why we don't have to do them any longer. We "obey" those laws not by sacrificing bulls and goats but by living holy lives (offering our bodies as living sacrifices) and trusting in Christ's sacrifice to atone for sins.

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The Bible is a book written by man[/quote[Written down by man (men) but inspired by God. It's literally God's revelation to mankind. Whoever wrote it down is irrelevant.

[quote]looked over by a atheist roman emperor who as a politician saw that the Christian sect was going to defeat the Pagans. Hell he even used Pagan holidays as Christian holidays and centuries later that was still done by adding easter , which is named after a pagan goddess.

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I think you're mixing up some things here. Easter, for instance may have been altered to placate some pagans, but the concept of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ is tied to the Passover and has biblical support regardless of whatever bells and whistles were added afterwards. That's one of the benefits of having the scriptures as your ultimate authority for faith and life is that you don't have to submit yourself to anything added out of tradition or ceremony.

Even so, what Constantine did was bring the Christian faith to the forefront of Rome and much of the known world at the time. It went from a religion that was booming in the shadows of persecution to being the official religion of Rome. Regardless of what happened with Constantine or what his true beliefs were, it doesn't change the truth of the scriptures.

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The Bible has contradiction after contradiction which thumpers choose to ignore.

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A paradox is not the same as a contradiction, and there aren't contradictions in the Bible. I've been addressing ignorant criticisms like that for years. There are sites dedicated to exposing the flaws in these supposed claims of contradictions and quick google searches can dispel these accusations very easily. It's what enemies of God say when they don't want to be held accountable to His word, and then they simply dismiss any defense of the scriptures as brain washing.

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The OP wanted to point out Mayor Pete's use of scriptures which I agree with the OP HOWEVER, THE Christian zealots came out Thumpin their man written bible and lo and behold are doing the exact same thing that Mayor Pete did which makes you no better.

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I admittedly haven't read every post in this thread, but I'm curious what exactly you're referencing in terms of taking passages out of context. I've been addressing the claim that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. The verses I've used and seen others use are accurate within the context provided, so those aren't instances of cherry-picking like some are accusing Pete of doing.

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None of you are without sin and none of you are better than others so stop with the preaching and go back and read matthew 7:5 again.

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Matthew 7 talks about hypocritical judgements. It doesn't say don't judge at all. It says that if you judge others, you'll be judged by the same measure. Christians are supposed to judge and be judged by the standard of God's holy word in the Bible.

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You agree with the plain reading of this? No context needed?

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Men should be the leaders of the Church and husbands/fathers to be the spiritual leaders of their households. It's speaking about authority and roles that men and women have in the Church. Seems plain to me given the context of the rest of the Bible that talks about these sorts of things.

Wow if that’s what it takes to consider yourself righteous, you can have it.

My point was, context matters. Not only context within the Bible, but context of the place and time.

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This is how you have to read the Bible to conclude that being gay is wrong.

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Science: science requires both uniformity in nature and induction to be useful as a methodology. God created the world and upholds it with His mind and will so that it is uniform and we can expect the future to be like the past. There is no reason why the world should be uniform or consistent to make predictions or to relate one experience to another without God holding it together. If we live in a chance universe without purpose, there's no reason to expect the future to be like the past or for experiences to be general.

Reason: God is rational and has made us rational as He is (we're made in His image) so that we can reason together and understand the world that God created and relationships, such as our relationship to each other as humans and our relationship to God. Without God, there's no reason for reason. Reason or logic is prescriptive not descriptive and nothing prescriptive should exist without a personal entity prescribing something. Naturalistic atheism can't account for the immaterial and universal nature of logic and reason. Without God, there's no point to even reason if reason could exist because there is no obligation to be reasonable without God.

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Where did you copy pasta that nonsense?

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Matthew 7:5 talks about judging others when you yourself haven't stopped sinning. Everyone on here is a sinner so who are you to point out someone else's sin. Thats right it makes you a hypocrite. Also Constatine had nothing to do with Easter. That pagan holiday, named after a pagan goddess, came about centuries later. You say the bible was inspired by GOD . There were books written not included because it was men having political views. Remember Jesus wasn't always seen as the " Son of GOD" by his followers. The majority view won out. Again GOD made everything, which means he made homosexuals within humans and hundreds of animal species. Funny that GOD used David to further his cause when David was bi-sexual and had a love affair with Jonathan. This is not even debatable though you will try.

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The key here is repentance. Have you turned from your sin and back towards God? People who live in unrepentant sin have no right to judge or else they’re hypocrites. But people who aren’t currently engaged in sinful lifestyle are permitted to use righteous judgement as I referenced above. God never says not to judge at all under any circumstances.

FIRST remove the plank from your own eye so that you can see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brothers eye. But most people don’t read past “judge not....”

John 7:24

Do not judge by appearances, but JUDGE with right judgment.”

Leviticus 19:15

'You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to JUDGE your neighbor fairly.

Deuteronomy 16:18

"You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall JUDGE the people with righteous judgment.

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Where did you copy pasta that nonsense?

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I didn't copy/paste it at all. It's a philosophical argument that has real-world effects. It's an indirect argument or proof for God's existence by exposing the impossibility of the contrary. It's the transcendental argument for God's existence.