Shouldn't H1B migrants be forced to pay taxes like everyone else

They should be taxed once but not twice. The treaties, if I had to guess, are probably to eliminate the risk of double taxation on the same income. We have Americans who earn income in foreign countries who would also benefit from these treaties.

Edit, I was right. OP doesn’t understand tax:

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Under these same treaties, residents or citizens of the United States are taxed at a reduced rate, or are exempt from foreign taxes, on certain items of income they receive from sources within foreign countries. Most income tax treaties contain what is known as a "saving clause" which prevents a citizen or resident of the United States from using the provisions of a tax treaty in order to avoid taxation of U.S. source income.

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What??? We want American corporations to do work abroad. It’s called trade. Skilled immigrants doing work in this country is a huge boon for the nation. The issue that is killing the US is dumping unskilled illegal immigrants into the nation who need government support to survive.

You have already demonstrated that you are clueless by this idiotic thread. You clearly don’t understand how cross-jurisdictional taxation works or why a tax treaty is needed for international commerce. I suppose your grass cutting business has never encountered this problem.

In any event, we are talking about importing skilled immigrants we need in certain tech, engineering, and medical fields. We should welcome these sorts of immigrants because historically they have been a huge boon for the United States. It’s how the US developed the atomic bomb and also why we won the Space Race.

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You have already demonstrated that you are clueless by this idiotic thread. You clearly don’t understand how cross-jurisdictional taxation works or why a tax treaty is needed for international commerce. I suppose your grass cutting business has never encountered this problem.

In any event, we are talking about importing skilled immigrants we need in certain tech, engineering, and medical fields. We should welcome these sorts of immigrants because historically they have been a huge boon for the United States. It’s how the US developed the atomic bomb and also why we won the Space Race.

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We don't need this. They are replacing construction/industrial, IT guys, waiters, waitresses, and countless others, skilled and unskilled. I have sat at home for several years now, largely unemployed and watching hispanics take my job inside the plants. Plants and construction sites are being overflowed by these people, which largely started when Obama took office. I think you are the one that is clueless. There is no excuses that you can give me for this. I've seen entire crews get laid off and replaced with hispanics!

The bottom line is that the American people don't want a one world government. That one covert agenda is the only thing driving this, and it's been in the works for a long time. This is obvious with all of the indoctrination and media propaganda. The American people would have never voted for this Its only happening because treason is running America.

Divide the world into regional groups as a transitional stage to world government. Populations will more readily abandon their national loyalty to a vague regional loyalty than they will for a world authority. Later the regions can be brought together all the way into a single world dictatorship. Joseph Stalin

Interesting thread on X:


VISH BURRA
@VishBurra
Okay since the H1B visa and country caps and the tech sector and India an Indians are all a hot topic right now, I would like to address this as someone who has worked behind the scenes in H1B consultancies in the tech sector and explain EXACTLY why I’m against removing country caps, against the H1B visa, and against the entire canard that we need to import more people from anywhere, let alone India, to do “jobs that the tech sector can’t find Americans to do:

1) Sourcing Talent- Big companies like Google and Meta have the resources to go and actually pluck out the ACTUAL best talent from these countries, and it’s not hard for them to attract those applicants either because they have the brand recognition. All the best want to work for the best. This isn’t necessarily the problem. The problem is all the no name consultancies and mid size/small size consultancies. They can petition for H1B’s too. How are they sourcing them? Well, they (usually run by Indians) just find a guy from India through their network…who’s willing to work for them and come to America. That’s it. They’ll make sure they have some kind of Bachelors or Masters from some college out there and have the aptitude to learn and understand software that’s it. They aren’t actually “geniuses” or anything like that. They are just willing to work and can learn to “talk the talk” quickly.

2) Importation- once the prospective worker agrees, the consultancy petitions the American government (USCIS) on their behalf, saying they tried to recruit for the job (job doesn’t exist) in America and couldn’t find anyone, that’s why they need to bring this guy. Key part of this is that the visa is tied to the employer, so if the employer drops the worker, worker has to go back. He can’t just find another job. This is the indentured servitude model.

3) The Gambit- the consultancy makes sure the guy speak English, and that’s really it. USCIS can’t actually vet the workers on the knowledge they claim they have, especially a vast and sophisticated field like software. USCIS doesn’t actually have a way to tell if someone is lying about their skills or not. All they have to do is convince the USCIS that they can speak English so they can come and immediately start working here.

4) The Actual Job- once they get the petition for visa approved and they come here, they find out (or already know) they actually don’t have a job here yet. The consultancy now tries to find Corp to Corp contract gigs for the worker. That’s if they actually know the tech and they’re not faking. If they are faking their skills, another workflow is initiated.

5) Training Day (or months) - the fakers are trained for up to 3-4 months in a software that’s marketable and fetch a good hourly contract rate. Basically a coding Bootcamp style program. They go from zero to superficial knowledge in the tech, just enough to pass an interview with a potential client.

6) Sell the fake - after training the fake for 3-4 months, the fake is provided with a fake resume claiming 7-8 years of experience. Why? Because that’s how much experience is needed to demand a minimum of $50 per hour on a contract. Does it work? Duh. These workers trained for 3-4 months routinely fool interviewers looking for 7-8 years experience.

7) The Split- once the job and rate is secured, the consultancy bills at $50 per hour and pays the actual worker the minimum (about $27.50) an hour, and the consultancy pockets the difference. Imagine a 100 H1Bs on a roster doing this for you.

Does this sound like fraud? Well that’s because it is, from beginning to end.

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Garry Tan

@garrytan
H1B reform is needed because IT consultancies abuse the visa. Tech people do get this

One thing the discourse below purely ignores is how society is about to change because of AGI

Given that reality, America must truly select for *the superlative*— imagine ARC-AGI for humans

You shouldn’t be able to just plug and chug here - we need tests that measure aptitude really shouldn’t just top out like the SAT’s at 1600

America bring in the best of the best in this moment when the tech tree is expanding rapidly. Do anything else and we will regret it.

Also an important stat that reveals a pretty easy fix

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Deedy
@deedydas

Half of all US H-1B work visa applicants and selections in the last 4 years are from IT firms with 95%+ Indians.

— Companies: ~30,000
— Total applicants: ~706k (50.6% of all)
— Selected: ~219k (46.6% of all)

I knew it was a lot, but only this new data shows that it is 50%!



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Elon even chimed in:

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Huh...but I thought we MAGAts on here were ignorant fools that had no idea of what we were talking about. Just low rent fools that were afraid of losing our unskilled janitor jobs

Thanks for sharing all of that.

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You are a moron posting stupid shite. Entire industries are being taken over by immigrants while American citizens are unemployed.

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Says the guy that thought H1B visa employees didn’t pay taxes or paid lower taxes, lol!!

If you think legal, foreign workers are a bigger threat than millions and millions of illegals sucking money away from states than you are not very bright!
Why don’t you compare the number of illegals vs the number of H1B visa workers in this country! I think you will be shocked.

Why do you think property taxes are thru the roof in some states like Texas along with our awesome health insurance and hospital expenses??

They do. Only time I’ve used H1B was in East Tennessee and it was because we couldn’t find enough locals that could pass a drug test.