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Should the government be allowed to break up monopolies?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:48 pm
I say no. Just let the free market work itself out.
Who's with me?
Who's with me?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:49 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Teddy Roosevelt says yes. If it wasn't for him, the railroad companies would have taken this country over.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:49 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Monopolies usually exist due to government fiat and regulations in the first place.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:49 pm to AggieDub14
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Teddy Roosevelt says yes. If it wasn't for him, the railroad companies would have taken this country over.
The same railroad companies that were granted land by the U.S. government who had no reasonable claim to the property?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:51 pm to HempHead
Yeah, the government clearly fricked up. So they needed to clean it up.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:51 pm to HempHead
Solid point. Agreed.
Once the monopolies are in place though - should the government break them up or let the free market work?
Once the monopolies are in place though - should the government break them up or let the free market work?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:51 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Should the government be allowed to break up monopolies?
Yes and it should do so much more than it does now.
Off the top of my head, any company labeled as too big to fail is too big to exist.
CitiBank
BoA
USMW
UAW
etc
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I say no. Just let the free market work itself out.
your ma bell argument was weak sauce. wireless carriers would have taken care of that monopoly without the government driving a spike through their heart.
i guess you still think smith corona and kodak have monopolies too?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I say no. Just let the free market work itself out.
We're not a true free market, we never were intended to be.
And yes the government should be able to break up monopolies if doing so benefits the American people.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The founding fathers were pretty clear that the breakup of monopolies were supposed to be one of the few functions of central government. I'll heed their advice.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:53 pm to HempHead
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The same railroad companies that were granted land by the U.S. government who had no reasonable claim to the property?
swap "Comcast" and "ISPs" for "railroad" and you have the current environment we're in now.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:54 pm to Gr8t8s
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The founding fathers were pretty clear that the breakup of monopolies were supposed to be one of the few functions of central government.
I'd like to see a citation for that, I've never heard that argument.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:54 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
While I do think the government should be allowed to do this, they obviously don't do a very good job of it if there is ever a single corporation that can ever be considered "too big to fail".
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:04 pm to Green Chili Tiger
the world evolves.
ma bell being a meaningful 'monopoly' today is laughable
smith corona having a monopoly on typewriters
IBM having a monopoly on computers
Yahoo having a monopoly on internet search
walmart having a monopoly on shopping
see where i'm going? technology marches forward and you're seeing the rise and fall of monopolies much faster these days. the free market WILL sort it out.
ma bell being a meaningful 'monopoly' today is laughable
smith corona having a monopoly on typewriters
IBM having a monopoly on computers
Yahoo having a monopoly on internet search
walmart having a monopoly on shopping
see where i'm going? technology marches forward and you're seeing the rise and fall of monopolies much faster these days. the free market WILL sort it out.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:04 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I say no. Just let the free market work itself out.
Who's with me?
Not me. Monopolies skew the market and stifle competition by driving the production cost to ridiculously low levels so that in inhibits new entries into the market place. The wireless companies could not have come about without the government breaking up Ma Bell who had a near true monopoly on the phone lines which also meant long distance.
It's always nice to say "let the free market handle this", but the purpose of the monopoly is to be the market. Most of the monopolies end up not liking capitalism once they get really big. They want to control the means of production and distribution. It also depresses wages and inhibits upward financial mobility
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:44 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Muh Fairness... I need muh Government to make it fair.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:27 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Should the government be allowed to break up monopolies?
Yes. It is not a free market when there is only 1 or a few players in it. In fact, I think that we should set a market cap number, say 10B, and when a company gets that big, they have to split up. I wish that every little town in the US didn't look like rubber stamps of each other with a Autozone on one end and a McDonalds and Burger King on the other. I wish Walmart was still a regional company. I wish there were 10 American car companies and not just a big 3. I wish Amazon had real competition. I wish we hadn't allowed every oil company to go hyphenated and that Continental airlines was still around.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:35 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The government is a monopoly.
So yes, start there.
So yes, start there.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:47 pm to HempHead
I’m sure you can probably find it. Jefferson and Washington, for sure, were anti-monopoly. I’m pretty sure Franklin was. Hamilton was not. Do not remember about Adams. Madison was anti-monopoly.
I’ve read several biographies of each, and they’re quoted about their stances.
In short, their idea for America was to be a militarily neutral nation of commerce and agriculture.
I’ve read several biographies of each, and they’re quoted about their stances.
In short, their idea for America was to be a militarily neutral nation of commerce and agriculture.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:00 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Once the monopolies are in place though - should the government break them up or let the free market work
If it’s a monopoly the government created perhaps but depends on what you mean by breakup. Cable companies were granted monopolies those should be rolled back and competition allowed in.
With companies that gain huge market share thru greater efficiency and lower prices ie WalMart or Microsoft or Amazon then absolutely not .
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 5:01 pm
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