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re: Should I Prevent My Daughter From Playing With Our Evangelical Neighbors?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:32 am to the_truman_shitshow
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:32 am to the_truman_shitshow
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And where do you think the idea of a "strong male household" figure came from?
From biology and necessity. The Native Americans had strong male household leaders and they certainly weren't Christians.
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:35 am to El Segundo Guy
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The Native Americans had strong male household leaders
They had strong tribal leaders where the tribe took care of everyone... It really is not a great example when you are talking about the disappearance of strong fathers in modern America...
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:37 am to The Maj
You can absolutely be a moral, upstanding person and not be a believer. To argue differently is asinine.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:20 am to El Segundo Guy
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Right is right and wrong is wrong
Everybody agrees on these?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:23 am to Flats
You as the leader of the household determines the morals of your family.
Hell, Christian religious sects differ in some of their interpretations of right and wrong from the same source material, the Bible.
Hell, Christian religious sects differ in some of their interpretations of right and wrong from the same source material, the Bible.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:24 am to Frank Black
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Suddenly, they became politely distant neighbors. I’ve looked into their church and found out it’s fiercely evangelical. Befriending people in order to recruit them to the church is even mentioned on the church website!
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have considered letting the girls play at our house only, under my supervision, but the church website also mentioned teaching children to “share” their beliefs. I feel terrible looking at a 7-year-old with suspicion, but I don’t want Emily exposed to this.
Damn LGBTQ+ agenda.
Wait…
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:29 am to El Segundo Guy
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You as the leader of the household determines the morals of your family.
So if a Muslim man raises his son to believe that women are inferior and need to be slapped around every once in a while, or that suicide bombing infidels is the greatest goal one can have, then he's raised a son to be a good, moral person. Because he, as leader of the household, is the one who determines the morals of his family.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:30 am to El Segundo Guy
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You can absolutely be a moral, upstanding person and not be a believer. To argue differently is asinine.
I never said you could not but I did say your example of Native Americans as "strong" fathers in comparison to modern America sucks...
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:34 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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This was not a big deal when I grew up. If you misbehaved, then any adult that knew you was allowed to discipline you.
Ummmm, how about no. You’d let any adult deliver deal out whatever punishment they please to your kid? If so, you’re a shitty parent. Some parents punish their kids differently than others, so who the frick are you to deal out punishment to someone else’s kid? How about instead you take it up with their parents? And pushing someone is if anything a time out, but this piece of shite beat her with a paddle.
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And you think she was the a-hole neighbor? It's good that the neighbor tried to discipline you, because your parents obviously failed in that department.
Dude, the first week they moved in the neighborhood, they knocked on another neighbor’s door and dropped off their toddler insistent that they look after their kid for the day, and given that the other neighbor was nothing short of a saint, she obliged them and then the kid proceeded to terrorize the house.
I’ve got like a dozen stories like this about these neighbors. They were nightmares, crazy, and despotic narcs that terrorized the neighborhood. Trust me, that was fricking karma and they deserved the annual terrorizing since they did it all year to the neighborhood at large.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:37 am to El Segundo Guy
quote:Christianity influenced culture and culture influenced families. Christianity isn't influencing culture any longer.
Nah. My family for generations have been hard working, salt of the earth people. I have never had a family member, even extended, that has ever had an issue with drugs, alcohol, been arrested for even a minor offense.
And every single one of us is a productive member of society. We didn't need a Bible or church. We were raided with values by strong male household figures
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:38 am to El Segundo Guy
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From biology and necessity. The Native Americans had strong male household leaders and they certainly weren't Christians.
You and I are on different planes of argument here because I profess a faith in the bible upon which I based my arguments.
I would infer that you don't, hence the situation of nonresolution.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:39 am to El Segundo Guy
quote:The natives were some brutal people.
Based on your premise, all of the Western Hemisphere pre colonization was immoral. Not true. The natives had their values and morals that were developed and adhered to because of leadership, not Christianity.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:43 am to FooManChoo
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The natives were some brutal people.
No more brutal than those that profess to be Christians. Look at the Conquistadors.
I have seen first hand the rape, torture and murder done by professed Christians in Zvornik, Bosnia.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:45 am to Flats
Christianity has had 2000 years to determine what the "requirements" to get into heaven are, what is or isn't a sin, what it takes to be forgiven of a sin and whether or not you are born with original sin.
And they can't come to a consensus.
And they can't come to a consensus.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:03 pm to Frank Black
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making it clear we weren’t interested
I bet you did.
You probably came across like an insufferably intolerant prick and now wonder why those religious "kooks" across the street want nothing to do with you......whining about wanting to live in a more inclusive neighborhood.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:05 pm to El Segundo Guy
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And they can't come to a consensus.
Because they turned something positive into a religion. When you create systems, its good for the rulers, not good for the people.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:07 pm to The Maj
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I never said you could not but I did say your example of Native Americans as "strong" fathers in comparison to modern America sucks...
No because te native men did their jobs. American men have failed because they have not taught their boys how to be men.
I was never afraid to let my daughter play with anyone of any beliefs as long as they were good people. Their religious beliefs nor their morals didn't matter because my daughter was held to the household standard regardless of where she was or who she was with.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:09 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Christianity has had 2000 years to determine what the "requirements" to get into heaven are
Can you back that claim up with a bible verse or two?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:10 pm to El Segundo Guy
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they certainly weren't Christians.
They were and are staunch believers in the Most High.
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How many gods did Native Americans believe in?
According to Harriot, the Indians believed that there was "one only chief and great God, which has been from all eternity,"
Take it as you will.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:11 pm to the_truman_shitshow
Come on. Don't be absurd. Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, etc all differ in what it takes, baptism for instance.
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