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re: Shock verdict finds Antifa goons not liable in Andy Ngo attack

Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115432 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:05 pm to
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Lefties can win when it isn’t a fair fight.

When the right eventually does take the gloves off, there better be no mercy.


amen
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95643 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:10 pm to
Portland deserves everything it is getting/will get. Ditto for SF, LA, Washington State.

I do feel bad for the decent folks stuck there, but it is what it is.

On a related note - tiny, gay (NTTAWWT) man of East Asian ancestry has more balls/spine than the entire GOPe and then some.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:14 pm to
As I understand it, Ngo was trying to get an assault verdict against defendants who did not physically assault him. They just doxxed him.

Is this correct?

Maybe the jury just did not think that Ngo met his burden of proof on his causes of action?
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Civil Assault and Battery Claims in Oregon

In Oregon, an assault is an intentional attempt to do violence to the person of another, coupled with present ability to carry the intention into effect. Actual physical contact is not required for an assault to occur. An assault occurs simply with the threat of physical contact. For example, shooting a gun at a person, and missing, is an assault even though no actual physical contact occurred. Reckless behavior does not amount to assault since assault requires intent to cause unwelcomed physical harm. Words alone, no matter how inflammatory or violent, are not sufficient to constitute an assault. Damages may be recovered for assault even when there was no battery or bodily injury.

A battery is the voluntary unlawful physical touching of another which causes intentional harm or physical offense to that person. It is not necessary that the unlawful touching cause actual physical harm in order for a battery to have occurred. For example, unwanted and unwelcome sexual touching constitutes battery even though such touching may not result in actual physical injury. The unlawful touching does not have to be person to person to constitute a battery. Using an intervening object to cause the physical offense to the victim is sufficient to constitute a battery. The obvious example is the use of a baseball bat to physically harm somebody. The less obvious example of battery is the intentional spilling of ice on a floor so that a person will slip and fall, thus causing personal injury.


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This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
82372 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:17 pm to
If the government abdicates it's core responsibility of keeping the peace and protecting property,

people have no choice but to handle it themselves.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38003 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:32 pm to
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Shock verdict

Well...
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a jury in Portland, Oregon 

No, not shocking. Half of the jurors were undoubtedly anqueefers at some point, and the other half are sympathizers.

It's within their communist stronghold. Assaulting a LGBTQ journalist is perfectly acceptable because he doesn't think the way they would force him to think, therefore he is a homophobic, terroristic, fascist White supremacist and deserves no justice.
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
22196 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:39 pm to
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He was seeking almost $1 million in damages in a lawsuit accusing the co-defendants of assault, battery, theft, and intentional infliction of emotional distress over a series of violent Antifa attacks that began in 2019 when Ngo was hospitalized for a brain hemorrhage.


Sounds like he was saying they kicked his arse.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17135 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:42 pm to
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a jury in Portland


What did you expect?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:43 pm to
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Sounds like he was saying they kicked his arse.
No question that members of Antifa did exactly that, but there does not seem to be any evidence that the two defendants in this lawsuit were amongst those kickers-of-arse.

Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54822 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:44 pm to
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You realize that if you kill someone and the jury says not guilty then you are not guilty right.


I thought everyone knew that
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19985 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:49 pm to
Why didnt he just sue the people who beat the snot out of him? Trying to prove people doxxing him caused the beating is a strech for 12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22066 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:51 pm to
this thread seems a bit misleading. The lawsuit was not against the ones who beat Andy up. This was only against the doxxers.

I sorta get this one. Doxxers usually post information already on the internet via open source searching. If posting what you find on the internet became a liability, you could be sued for any link you post on a message board.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22066 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:52 pm to
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Why didnt he just sue the people who beat the snot out of him? Trying to prove people doxxing him caused the beating is a strech for 12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.


These might be the only antifa folks with money. who knows.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
1139 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:58 pm to
Can you explain what the defense meant by this during closing arguments?

quote:

After announcing her retirement and that this would be her last trial, Burrows told the jurors that she "will remember each one of their faces." 
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19985 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:01 pm to
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These might be the only antifa folks with money. who knows.


Kind of what I figured as well, being kind of disingenuous himself and the jury saw it.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19486 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:04 pm to
And Hank's response is, of course, not shocking.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19486 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:06 pm to
She was threatening the jury with bodily harm....they would have been within their rights to kick her antifa a$$.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:12 pm to
Can this be appealed? Threatening the jury surely can't be allowed to stand.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19486 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:13 pm to
That is a mistrial in every other place in the nation, save maybe DC.
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
22196 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:16 pm to
Apparently not since they were found not liable eh?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:18 pm to
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And Hank's response is, of course, not shocking.
I can see why sound legal reasoning and specific citation to the elements of the relevant torts might confuse you, Houston.
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