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Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If the drug you're taking for whatever reason does not affect the life or livelihood of another, it should not be prohibited IMHO.
People should be free to make whatever pisspoor decisions they want to, so long as it doesn't affect someone else's life, job, or property.
This nanny state BS has to end.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Do you hire people that drink alcohol on their time off?
Yes. And I have sent them home for coming to work drunk. Pot is a little harder to detect, so I can't have anybody working that is impaired. Finger, hands and lives can be lost.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:58 pm to Pax Regis
quote:Well I see two metrics that scientists have studied that could be useful:
For you pro-pot guys - where is the line? Is pot ok to be legal? What about cocaine? What about heroin? Should it all just be legal and c'est la vie?
I'm not trying to be a smartass. I really want to know where you draw the line.
1. Lethal dosage--marijuana hasn't really had one established, since it it exists, it's not be possible consume that much.
2. Dependency potential--marijuana is again on the very low end of this.
You could even further delineate the multiple types of dependency (physiological, physical).
Then from there establish guidelines, at the very least use the most harmful legal drug (maybe alcohol
) as a cut-off, since it makes no sense to have something less harmful like marijuana considered illegal. I mean the government could be systematic about its categorization. The scheduling ad it stands is clearly not scientifically driven.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:59 pm to Lg
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Yes. And I have sent them home for coming to work drunk. Pot is a little harder to detect, so I can't have anybody working that is impaired. Finger, hands and lives can be lost.
Have you ever smelled pot?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:00 pm to Dire Wolf
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This dude is such a twat.
He really is.
Sessions is easily one of the worst picks Trump has ever made and its a damn shame he's one trick pony that's only good for whipping arse on immigration.
Hopefully his tenure as AG will be very brief and we can get an AG that's connected to 2017 and not the reefer madness of the 70s and 80s.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:01 pm to Pax Regis
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For you pro-pot guys - where is the line? Is pot ok to be legal? What about cocaine? What about heroin? Should it all just be legal and c'est la vie?
I'm conflicted about this. But the way I see it is this...
There's hard drugs and soft drugs. Soft drugs would be marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine (there may be others in overlooking). Those should all be legal and taxed (I prefer just a sales tax, but am willing to pay a vice tax instead of technically being a criminal). I think pot is less harmful than tobacco or alcohol, but not as safe as caffeine.
There are a lot of hard drugs. LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, meth, mdma, heroin/opiates, benzos, and a few others I'm overlooking. These are either highly physically addictive, or can have severe health problems if used regularly. I'm not against using hard drugs. I like to to trip every once and awhile. I think every adult should try psychedelics once in their life. It's a great experience. But too often will fry your brain.
We currently treat drugs as a criminal concern, when it's really a public health concern. LSD possession is a prison sentence, yet meth or heroin isn't nearly as bad of a charge. That's completely absurd.
I like California's law, making drug possession a misdemeanor. Arresting users does nothing but tie up the courts, and wastes police's time. Users that get caught then have a police record, making it hard to get a decent job once they're clean. This just continues the cycle of criminal behavior, and only benefits the prison industrial complex.
Investment in rehabilitation and proper drug education would benefit or society. It may not work perfectly, but we know sending drug addicts to prison has been a complete failure. But with pot, most intelligent people know it's a bullshite law. And bullshite laws only make people have less respect for the law overall.
Tl, dr... Legalize pot, make all drug possession a misdemeanor. Spend resources going after people distributing hard drugs.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:02 pm to brouski
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Have you ever smelled pot?
No man. Never.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:02 pm to Dire Wolf
Choosing Sessions as AG is probably Trump's biggest mistake. The guy is terrible.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:02 pm to boosiebadazz
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He traded Sessions' immigration stance for his ridiculous stance on the War on Drugs.
Trump could've found someone else that has his stance on immigration and is at least neutral on the WoD. Hundreds of them out there.
But then again, it was also a campaign debt he had to pay off with Sessions.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:04 pm to Dire Wolf
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Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs will destroy your life.
This is no secret. Sure, there are exceptions, but many otherwise good people have had their lives and often the lives of loved ones around them absolutely obliterated by drugs.
Meth and heroin dealers should be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
Sorry for interrupting the dopehead circle jerk.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:04 pm to Lg
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Finger, hands and lives can be lost.
That's true, but why do you assume that the people who come to work sober with alcohol legal will come to work high with drugs legal?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:04 pm to Pax Regis
Every bit of it should be legal. If alcohol--a 'drug' that I personally lived through with my own father as he nearly drank himself to death after my grandpa died-is legal, then how in the hell is marijuana illegal?? 
The gist of this short-lived story is that if someone wishes to do themselves harm, it isn't the governments job to tell them no.
And, to think that those who don't believe in a God would allow the Government to be their God in demanding them do themselves no harm!!!!
Even the bible doesn't have a 'law' against doing yourself harm.
The gist of this short-lived story is that if someone wishes to do themselves harm, it isn't the governments job to tell them no.
And, to think that those who don't believe in a God would allow the Government to be their God in demanding them do themselves no harm!!!!
Even the bible doesn't have a 'law' against doing yourself harm.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:05 pm to Pax Regis
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where is the line? Is pot ok to be legal? What about cocaine? What about heroin? Should it all just be legal and c'est la vie?
I'm not trying to be a smartass. I really want to know where you draw the line.
They're all public health issues that has no business being treated as a criminal issue and criminalization only creates violent black markets.
Legalize weed, cocaine and decriminalize the rest of them and be done with it.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:05 pm to Lg
quote:It's unfortunate, but naturally the free market will probably compensate and create tools to help you.
You see I look at it from an employer side of it. The pool to choose skilled labor from is already small. If drugs are legalized it will become even smaller because I can't have people working that are impaired.
Would I understand your concerns, they're not justifiable to criminalize it for everybody, because some percentage of jobs, and some percentage of employees in those jobs will act like idiots.
I mean the costs of drunk driving are probably far greater, and if that doesn't justify banning alcohol (it shouldn't), your situation really doesn't.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:05 pm to el Gaucho
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He's right you know. Plus using marijuana leads to heroin use
This is what scares me. Apparently one day, I'm gonna start doing a shitload of heroin.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:07 pm to CCTider
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There are a lot of hard drugs. LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, meth, mdma, heroin/opiates, benzos, and a few others I'm overlooking. These are either highly physically addictive, or can have severe health problems if used regularly. I'm not against using hard drugs. I like to to trip every once and awhile. I think every adult should try psychedelics once in their life. It's a great experience. But too often will fry your brain.
All of these drugs that you listed are safe if used at responsible levels. You can kill yourself by drinking too much water so don't try to bring up abusers of these drugs as reasons to why they are bad.
However, people that smoke marijuana, even a little bit turn into loser potheads with no ambition. I'm not sure if it's losers being attracted to weed or weed bringing them down but either way it's dangerous to society
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:08 pm to navy
quote:OK. Well meth and heroine are by far two of the least likely drugs to be legalized, so they really are irrelevant to the discussion about creating reasonable legalization.
This is no secret. Sure, there are exceptions, but many otherwise good people have had their lives and often the lives of loved ones around them absolutely obliterated by drugs.
Meth and heroin dealers should be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:09 pm to CCTider
I divide drugs into 2 categories:
Fun:
Alcohol
Weed
LSD
Mushrooms
Ecstasy
Some Cocaine
Shitty
Lots of cocaine
Heroin
Perscriptions
PCP
Meth
Crack
Ketamine
Salvia
I'd like to keep the not so fun drugs illegal (although cocaine is very tempting). I just don't see any advantage in legalizing PCP in particular. The others regulate.
Fun:
Alcohol
Weed
LSD
Mushrooms
Ecstasy
Some Cocaine
Shitty
Lots of cocaine
Heroin
Perscriptions
PCP
Meth
Crack
Ketamine
Salvia
I'd like to keep the not so fun drugs illegal (although cocaine is very tempting). I just don't see any advantage in legalizing PCP in particular. The others regulate.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:09 pm to navy
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This is no secret. Sure, there are exceptions, but many otherwise good people have had their lives and often the lives of loved ones around them absolutely obliterated by drugs.
So let's turn to the govt to help society save itself. They know what's best for everyone...
What could go wrong?
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