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re: Serious Question About the St Louis Outrage
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:30 am to Pinecone Repair
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:30 am to Pinecone Repair
It does have to suck as a black person to see nothing but either a few bad thugs looting, or race "leaders" on the media.
And the way the media is today, that's what you will see get covered. Think about it, what headline gets more views:
"Protestors go on looting RAMPAGE!!!!" or "Most blacks go about their normal business"
"Black leaders call police the modern version of the KLAN!!!" or "Blacks, like most americans, want police to use reasonable force."
And the way the media is today, that's what you will see get covered. Think about it, what headline gets more views:
"Protestors go on looting RAMPAGE!!!!" or "Most blacks go about their normal business"
"Black leaders call police the modern version of the KLAN!!!" or "Blacks, like most americans, want police to use reasonable force."
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:31 am to KCT
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You're the one who tried to dismiss any discussion of black-on-black violence by stating that most people are killed by a member of the same race.
I am not dismissing it. I'm simply pointing out that the numbers of black on black crimes aren't that much higher than white on white crimes. If you want to break it down to a per capita basis to justify your criticism of it, go right ahead.
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Whyisnt the black community similarly outraged over this black on black violence? Where are the marches for something that is happening with 100X more frequency?
Where do you get the idea there aren't members of the black community outraged by it? There are numerous organizations across the country that work to raise awareness of the issue. I'd say there are plenty of people within the black community that are outraged by it.
And again, the crime issue has much more to do with one's socioeconomic place in society than their racial place in society.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:31 am to teke184
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My story above was a bit off. The local news says all of the looters had criminal records but most were from outside Ferguson, not ALL from outside Ferguson.
What does that matter?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:33 am to BigJim
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"Protestors go on looting RAMPAGE!!!!" or "Most blacks go about their normal business"
Yeah but they aren't as outraged as some TD.com posters think they should be.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:34 am to Pettifogger
How can this be? Tuba said there were only three stores looted. 
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:35 am to SpidermanTUba
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My story above was a bit off. The local news says all of the looters had criminal records but most were from outside Ferguson, not ALL from outside Ferguson.
What does that matter?
The standard song and dance for riots like Watts in the 60s, Rodney King in 1992, etc., has been that it's been a form of temper tantrum by the people who lived there, raging against whatever.
The percentage of people from outside the area flocking there to loot show it to be more of opportunism at its worst.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:39 am to BigJim
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It does have to suck as a black person to see nothing but either a few bad thugs looting, or race "leaders" on the media.
I bet it does. But if we're honest, that is true for all of us. Which black people get the most attention these days? Controversial athletes, criminals, loud race leaders, Obama right?
For whites? Teen hearthrobs, controversial celebrities who get in trouble, high profile criminals, obnoxious politicians.
Good, normal people rarely make the news. Just how it is. But do we need them to? Why?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:39 am to teke184
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The standard song and dance for riots like Watts in the 60s, Rodney King in 1992, etc., has been that it's been a form of temper tantrum by the people who lived there, raging against whatever. The percentage of people from outside the area flocking there to loot show it to be more of opportunism at its worst.
Care to throw Katrina in the "temper tantrum"/looting category, T?
Bottom line. It's cover for lazy/desperate/dishonorable folk to get free stuff. My Grandkids try to *loot* me all the time; in a manner of speaking.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:42 am to bamarep
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How can this be? Tuba said there were only three stores looted.
Maybe more reports came in after I said that.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:43 am to Pettifogger
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Which black people get the most attention these days?
That's mostly up to the white people that own the media.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:43 am to RCDfan1950
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Care to throw Katrina in the "temper tantrum"/looting category, T?
Bottom line. It's cover for lazy/desperate/dishonorable folk to get free stuff. My Grandkids try to *loot* me all the time; in a manner of speaking.
Agreed 100%. I'm just bringing up the kinds of discussions about the Rodney King riots which inevitably come up whenever it is mentioned.
I'm specifically thinking of a scene from American History X where there was a dinner debate between Edward Norton and his family over the situation, which took place in LA circa 1994.
The mother tried to soft-pedal it as "an expression of rage" while Norton and his girlfriend played up the opportunism card and why exactly Rodney King got his beating to begin with, which was for a high-speed police chase while high on drugs.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:44 am to Pettifogger
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I bet it does. But if we're honest, that is true for all of us. Which black people get the most attention these days? Controversial athletes, criminals, loud race leaders, Obama right?
For whites? Teen hearthrobs, controversial celebrities who get in trouble, high profile criminals, obnoxious politicians.
Good, normal people rarely make the news. Just how it is. But do we need them to? Why
True. But no one thinks Justin Bieber, Paris Hilton, Bernie Madoff or Chris Cristie speaks for whites "in general."
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:46 am to Pettifogger
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I bet it does. But if we're honest, that is true for all of us. Which black people get the most attention these days? Controversial athletes, criminals, loud race leaders, Obama right?
For whites? Teen hearthrobs, controversial celebrities who get in trouble, high profile criminals, obnoxious politicians.
Good, normal people rarely make the news. Just how it is. But do we need them to? Why?
Well said. Reporting on the day and life of the Huxtables doesn't make for good news.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:46 am to BigJim
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True. But no one thinks Justin Bieber, Paris Hilton, Bernie Madoff or Chris Cristie speaks for whites "in general."
None of the four tries to do so.
David Duke tried to do so and got actively shouted down and denounced, and rightly so.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:48 am to BigJim
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True. But no one thinks Justin Bieber, Paris Hilton, Bernie Madoff or Chris Cristie speaks for whites "in general."
I agree with you. I think that is a burden black people have to carry.
BUT, I will say the black community is partly responsible for that. I'm not condemning it, it's just a natural occurrence when a people group stands united as "black" so frequently and so publicly. How often do white people do that? Never.
Now, from my perspective it's understandable that black people present a more united front, more often, as they've had to in past decades. But, it also seems more natural that black America will have spokespeople and white America won't, as the latter isn't something people really think exists.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:57 am to bamarep
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I asked a black guy at work about this and his comment was that black folk didn't choose those two as "leaders," white people chose them for the black community.
Not sure why the first part of that sentence sounded funny, but it did.
The black populace continues to perpetuate this though. Look who the attorney for the family is - Ben Crumb. That dumbshit was extremely ineffective for the TM family, yet some clown tells the family "hey, you need a high profile black guy to represent your interests" yet not realizing he is busy trying to capitalize on the situation. Same thing here with Quanelle X who has been raping the black community here in Houston for decades.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:04 am to onmymedicalgrind
Amen brother, personal accountability is the answer.
Blacks have too many gurus like Jesee Jackson and Al Sharpton.
FATHERS FATHERS FARHERS is the answer.
A 70 percent out of wed lock birth rate places most young black kids in a disadvantage from the outset
My sympathies in this front in no way excuses the barbaric actions in St Louis, any civilized human being should no better than that horseshyt.
Blacks have too many gurus like Jesee Jackson and Al Sharpton.
FATHERS FATHERS FARHERS is the answer.
A 70 percent out of wed lock birth rate places most young black kids in a disadvantage from the outset
My sympathies in this front in no way excuses the barbaric actions in St Louis, any civilized human being should no better than that horseshyt.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:06 am to Pettifogger
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when a people group stands united as "black" so frequently and so publicly. How often do white people do that? Never.
Because whites are the majority. The majority tends not to have to do that to advance their interests because their interests are already prevailing.
Apples to oranges.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:06 am to idlewatcher
Yeah it would be interesting to see a racial incident where the community says "we don't want Sharpton in our town. We'll take Harold Ford Jr."
But I don't expect that anytime soon.
But I don't expect that anytime soon.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Because whites are the majority. The majority tends not to have to do that to advance their interests because their interests are already prevailing.
Apples to oranges.
It's not a comparison. I'm not telling you not to do it, I'm just diagnosing where some of the "leaders" come from. It's a naturally occurring issue, to some extent, not one manufactured by someone else.
Minority groups always face the question of full assimilation vs. losing your identity. I don't know the answer to that, but there are obvious pitfalls with each approach.
I'm not advocating for accepting Sharpton as a leader of the black community, but it's also not like Sharpton's views aren't aligned or mimicked throughout the black community on major stories. When black Americans vote as a block and largely share the same opinion (within reason) on major issues, I don't think it makes sense to object to people viewing the black community as a uniform entity in those situations.
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