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re: Serious Question about a national divorce
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:14 pm to DallasTiger11
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:14 pm to DallasTiger11
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Our best hope at the moment is a return to a republic, not a democracy, and the original intention of our system of federalism. Federal power must be drastically reduced and returned to a more local level
and there's a zero percent chance anyone in Washington, on either side, ever lets that happen
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:16 pm to DallasTiger11
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There’s zero chance we actually split into multiple countries without serious violence.
I respectfully disagree, neighbor.
For decades the United States has intervened militarily on behalf of people across the globe who've sought sovereignty.
They're not going to use physical force to prevent people who peacefully assemble and vote to exercise their right to self-governance ... not without many other states and world powers raining down hellfire upon them, anyway.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:17 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
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We would also need to mandate patriotic education
This seems pretty North Korean/USSR to me
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:18 pm to Indefatigable
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And the vast majority of people in all three would disapprove.
You are saying that Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Jose along with coastal Cali, Oregon, and Washington are not overwhelmingly blue?
And that Boston, New York City, Philadephia, Baltimore, DC, border New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland and Conneticut are not overwhelmingly Blue?
Those are the exact blue zones that make up the highest percentage of blue votes in the country.
That is blue paradise.
Majority would not want blue paradise?
Everyone wins. Ship the Democrats there.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:21 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
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just don't want to be associated with fellow citizens who don't believe in male/female, protecting the life of babies, and want a marxist society.
No need to dismantle the United States . Just move to a red state and a red county...say somewhere in North Louisiana. Wont encounter too many of those folks there.
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We would also need to mandate patriotic and Christian education. Not a theocracy mandated but even more overtly Christian in my opinion.
You see a lot of people that agree with your first three complaints will disagree with this idea and you will have further division among the divided. Then what? Democracy requires compromise. The current state of leadership seems to be forgetting that and so are the citizens.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:22 pm to Caraway Rye
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You are saying that Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Jose along with coastal Cali, Oregon, and Washington are not overwhelmingly blue?
No, that is not what I said.
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And that Boston, New York City, Philadephia, Baltimore, DC, border New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland and Conneticut are not overwhelmingly Blue?
No, that is not what I said.
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Majority would not want blue paradise?
Correct. The majority citizens of none of those three areas would approve. Just like there is no state in the country where a majority of its citizens support secession. It would make everyone's lives less convenient and more expensive, and simply result in 3 weaker nations with worse economies than the current single nation.
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Everyone wins. Ship the Democrats there.
Yea, I mean if history has taught us anything, its that forced mass relocation is a super good idea that never boomerangs.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:23 pm to ThuperThumpin
You can’t have a divorce. Can no one move then? So if someone wants to move to Iowa do they have to declare what their political beliefs are. This is such nonsense
How about people learn to get along.
How about people learn to get along.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:27 pm to MeatPants
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How about people learn to get along.
It was a beautiful idea, back when the experiment involved 13 colonies.
But the US has become a behemoth entity comprised of 50 states.
No other country in the world comes remotely close to attempting to function in such a manner.
Most people are tied to the idea of what the US once was, not what it's become.
It's a tough pill to swallow, and I understand that.
But the reality: Our differences and contextual needs have diverged beyond functionality.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:30 pm to EKG
America is better than the rest of the world. It just is. The main problem is weirdos and extremists get all the attention. Once people roll their eyes enough and push them back into the side of the road where they belong things will be better
A push back is already started.
A push back is already started.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:33 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
The Left would never go for it. They need us for strength, sound economics and security.
If we did "divorce", I'd want to never stick up for them against any country they may have pissed off.
If we did "divorce", I'd want to never stick up for them against any country they may have pissed off.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:34 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Read "Indian Country" and "Peoples Republic" by Kurt Schlichter.
Frightening how close to reality those hit. I think its very possible.
Frightening how close to reality those hit. I think its very possible.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:34 pm to EKG
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But the US has become a behemoth entity comprised of 50 states.
No other country on the world comes remotely close to attempting to function in such a manner.
...not sure I fully agree there. There are multiple nations using our model. Germany and Russia probably being the most prominent. The key is that they both updated our election framework. Germany's mixed/proportional allocation method is genius, and what we need in this country, at least for Congressional elections.
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Most people are tied to the idea of what the US once was, not what it's become.
Don't disagree here. Like I said above, I think the solution is updating how Congressional seats are allocated is a necessary step. Read up on German federal elections--its a good balance of states being represented and including minority parties more fairly.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:37 pm to Indefatigable
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Yea, I mean if history has taught us anything, its that forced mass relocation is a super good idea that never boomerangs.
Worked pretty well as far as I can see
It devestated those that were mass relocated
Sounds good too me for those Democrats
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:40 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Question is, even if we do this, in how many generations are we going to be having the same discussion again?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:40 pm to Indefatigable
I hear you; fair point.
Tho I think Germany and Russia operate within a wholly different substructure ... one built upon a heavily top-down framework.
The US was based on the premise of states operating individually; much more bottom-up.
US fedgov has grown into an enormity that's forgotten its place.
Tho I think Germany and Russia operate within a wholly different substructure ... one built upon a heavily top-down framework.
The US was based on the premise of states operating individually; much more bottom-up.
US fedgov has grown into an enormity that's forgotten its place.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:42 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
We just need to let the 10th Amendment reign supreme, and return the States to autonomous status.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:42 pm to Marshhen
Same here a divorce is what our enemies want.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:49 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
But but but the coastal cities would find themselves importing food.
If you've read any 1880's through 1900's newspapers from NYC, their produce was coming in at high prices from the south (and they hated that) because crops to the south were coming ripe three to four weeks ahead of crops from Long Island.
Now that they no longer have an agrarian Long Island, they would be less happy. Especially if the west Coast stops receiving drainage from the Rockies that nature expects to flow eastward.
If you've read any 1880's through 1900's newspapers from NYC, their produce was coming in at high prices from the south (and they hated that) because crops to the south were coming ripe three to four weeks ahead of crops from Long Island.
Now that they no longer have an agrarian Long Island, they would be less happy. Especially if the west Coast stops receiving drainage from the Rockies that nature expects to flow eastward.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:50 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Get the party started.
Irreconcilable differences.
Irreconcilable differences.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:56 pm to MeatPants
I don't see how a divorce in this nation doesn't lead to war. The federal government isn't going to let states leave peacefully.
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