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re: Senate bill adds $1.3 trillion more to national debt than House version.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:53 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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... and Mitch the Vegetable, and Cornyn, and Thune, and Romney, and Cassidy, and Tillis, and Ernst .... sigh.
This.
Same old corrupt bunch. Miss Lindsey must be getting something as well, although he has been kissing Trump’s arse a lot lately.
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:55 pm to loogaroo
These frickers are just funding pet projects that will result in them getting kickbacks or spreading degeneracy.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:56 pm to loogaroo
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Senate bill adds $1.3 trillion more to national debt than House version.
MAGAcrats don’t care. This is what they want. The more money the better, they say. As long as Trump says so, that’s the only thing that matters.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:56 pm to BigPerm30
Yeah well Trump ran on no more omnibus bills till eh got in office, like every politician ever
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:00 pm to Pecos Pedro
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What happens when we put 1 bill at a time up and it needs 60 votes?
Hint: it doesn’t pass
That would be expected. In the end we'd all get to see exactly where our senators and congressmen stand on individual issues, then they'd weed themselves out one at a time until we have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Then and only then would they have NO EXCUSES. No more ifs, ands, and buts. No more finger pointing, no more blame game, no more politics. Just simple issues voting. More common sense and less bullshite routes going through Maine to get to Miami from New Orleans kind of processes in DC.
Just
Plain
Government
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:04 pm to loogaroo
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$1.3 trillion
A drop in the bucket.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:16 pm to loogaroo
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increases the deficit by $761 billion without interest and more $1.3 trillion with interest
The Freedom Caucus made similar claims about the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. They were wrong, and didn't factor that tax receipts would increase by stimulating the economy. They are using a worse case scenario approach in the above calculations.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:22 pm to Pecos Pedro
This is a lazy argument, pass single subject bills and you can create a true voting records for legislators. If you make Dems vote no to cut funding to illegals or no on boarder security, or vote to allow men in women’s spaces you can win elections forever and then you get 60 votes that way, or they have to vote with the GOP because in purple states they won’t be reelected .
Put people on the record so you can run against them.
Put people on the record so you can run against them.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:44 pm to 3down10
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Ok, so all the spending bills fail and the people win.
The bills for border security, election security, lower taxes, and a host of other things fail, too. All the DOGE cuts you want are gone. What we will get is more CRs that maintain the current trajectory even higher than the BBB. Brilliant strategy.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:47 pm to Nonetheless
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and the house will do another CR in september
Yes, but this time they will be super duper serious about spending cuts because all the cuts from the Rescission Package that are just around the corner.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:56 pm to loogaroo
Man that is fricking absurd.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 2:58 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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The bills for border security, election security, lower taxes, and a host of other things fail, too. All the DOGE cuts you want are gone. What we will get is more CRs that maintain the current trajectory even higher than the BBB. Brilliant strategy.
And so is everything else, the government shuts down.
Don't you tempt me with a good time.
Of course in reality, they will have to answer for not voting for against those things on an individual basis and get primaried since they can no longer hide behind the shite you listed.
Which is the real reason they pass this shite in the first place.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:00 pm to Pecos Pedro
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Your next thought should be, okay, how do we get 60 votes or get rid of the filibuster? Because that is how you “fix” the system. Not by melting like a bitch and posting Massie and Rand memes.
The 60 votes and filibuster are extraconstitutional in a sense because they're just procedural structures the body created for themselves. These rules exist to prevent anything from happening.
I like the idea of the senate being a filter on the more direct expression of the people in the house. I wonder how much sense that still makes since senators do not really represent the state government's interests in the way original constitution originally intended. Senators are just popularly elected now, so the procedural bullshite is a way to dull popular politics in my opinion.
I am starting to lean towards the opinion that the senate should be amended out of the constitution and the have a much larger unicameral body instead. If we're going to have popular politics then representation in the federal should be more localized by the districts being more numerous and smaller. Give the executive appointment consent powers of the senate to appropriate house committees or subcommittees.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:31 pm to 3down10
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the spending bills fail and the people win.
We win with a massive tax increase? Wtf... dumbass!
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:37 pm to Jjdoc
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We win with a massive tax increase? Wtf... dumbass!
The BBB is a massive tax increase.
An increase in government spending = increase in taxes. Trump has a policy of inflation.
Learn how money works, where it gets it's value and what causes inflation.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:43 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The 60 votes and filibuster are extraconstitutional in a sense because they're just procedural structures the body created for themselves. These rules exist to prevent anything from happening.
I like the idea of the senate being a filter on the more direct expression of the people in the house. I wonder how much sense that still makes since senators do not really represent the state government's interests in the way original constitution originally intended. Senators are just popularly elected now, so the procedural bullshite is a way to dull popular politics in my opinion.
I am starting to lean towards the opinion that the senate should be amended out of the constitution and the have a much larger unicameral body instead. If we're going to have popular politics then representation in the federal should be more localized by the districts being more numerous and smaller. Give the executive appointment consent powers of the senate to appropriate house committees or subcommittees.
The senate shouldn't be voted on by the people at all. That is what was originally intended and how it worked. But then people tricked the states into changing so that the people started to elect them(17th amendment).
The house is to represent the people. That's why the number of reps from each state is based on the population.
The senate is to represent the states. So the state legislators etc are the ones that are supposed to decide them. They do not represent the people, they represent the state governments. It was a way of removing states rights indirectly because the actual state governments lost representation.
That's why each state gets 2, regardless of the population differences.
So I wouldn't say amend them out, I would remove the 17th amendment. It was part of the overthrow of our republic in the 1910s.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:48 pm to 3down10
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Learn how money works. The house and senate bill are a huge increase in the amount of wealth that will be stolen from the American citizens. Since Trump is claiming to "cut taxes" while increasing spending, it means he has a policy of inflation to pay for it. Meaning, everything you buy is going to get more expensive and your cost of living is going to increase again.
Be sure to tell that to your grandson with his severed cock and granddaughter with her pussy beat up by a TdA “migrant”. I am sure it will comfort them to know that Paw Paw was a principled conservative back in. 2025.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:52 pm to Pecos Pedro
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Be sure to tell that to your grandson with his severed cock and granddaughter with her pussy beat up by a TdA “migrant”. I am sure it will comfort them to know that Paw Paw was a principled conservative back in. 2025.
Which Grandson? I have 7.
My daughter home schools and carries at all times.
If you're scared and lack the ability to defend yourself, just say you're scared and find yourself a real man to teach you some basics.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:53 pm to 3down10
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Ok, so all the spending bills fail and the people win.
Enjoy your massive tax increase.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 3:54 pm to 3down10
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The BBB is a massive tax increase.
Wow. What an ignorant statement.
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Trump has a policy of inflation.
Dumbass
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