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re: Secretary Howard Lutnick "Trump wants to work towards No Tax on 150K or less

Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36792 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:36 pm to
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Holy f*ck you’re stupid.
That tax cohort pays like 35% of income taxes. Your fantasies are stupid.
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
753 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:38 pm to
I guess this is an interesting idea but my preference is to eliminate income taxes all together. It has never made any sense to me why we tax income rather than consumption. Although I guess nowadays we do both but taxing income is and always has been stupid
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
14647 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:45 pm to
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We need to make and sell more than we buy from others. Simple math, helluva tough problem. If anyone can do it, Trump can. Tall order. Here's hoping.


At a certain point in time it will be on Americans.

Americans have to be willing to work.

Lumber can have a huge resurgence. Steel can. Automotive. Automotive maintenance. Oil and gas. Hvac. Construction. Electrical. Machining. Service industry. Nuclear energy. Shipbuilding.

Trump is clearly betting on the American working man strapping on their boots and getting to work.

If we embrace it, we can offset the tax cuts easily if we turn our 1.7T worldwide trade deficit more into our favor and that is being done with tariffs.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
86836 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:46 pm to
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It's fricking stupid.


Why is it stupid? Your buddy wouldnt answer

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He has no idea other than because Trump is proposing it.


Exacrly. if a certain someone proposed this it would be the most conservative thing ever done!
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36792 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:48 pm to
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Why is it stupid? Your buddy wouldnt answer
It's stupid because math. Grover Norquist fantasies about 0 taxes are stupid.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
164795 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:49 pm to
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Why is it stupid?

Because it's a revenue killer. All income above 150 would have to be taxed at an absurd clip to balance the revenue losses. I don't even know if it could work at 90 percent tax rate above 150K
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
753 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:51 pm to
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It's stupid because math. Grover Norquist fantasies about 0 taxes are stupid


I'm not supporting zero taxes but I do think we need to move away from income taxes. It's never made any sense that we use income tax as a primary source. Heck if for no other reason because we have a bunch of politicians who always scream about raising income taxes to go after the rich. The rich don't fricking have a bunch of income! Every time our government decides to attack the rich using income taxes all they're really doing is attacking doctors lawyers and highly paid engineers while your average CEO laughs his arse off
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15768 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:53 pm to
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I guess this is an interesting idea but my preference is to eliminate income taxes all together. It has never made any sense to me why we tax income rather than consumption. Although I guess nowadays we do both but taxing income is and always has been stupid



Can you point to one country that does it this way?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:54 pm to
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Can you point to one country that does it this way?


Why does that matter?
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
753 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:56 pm to
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Can you point to one country that does it this way?

No because politicians long ago figured out that the income tax makes for excellent demagoguery and social control. It's much harder to control people's behavior for example with a broad sales tax. But once I create an income tax and the concepts of deductions the race is on!
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
753 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:59 pm to
At the end of the day any tax amounts to extracting productive capacity out of the economy and handing it to the government. So there really should only be one goal when deciding how to tax and that goal should be the one least impactful on productive capacity and one that requires very little if any manipulation. Let the progressivity of your taxes come from the fact that rich people spend more. For those people that talk about how poor people spend more of their money on necessities. That's true. So you probably want a broad-based tax that doesn't hit the Staples hard or at all.
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
4783 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:00 pm to
How in the frick could someone downvote this?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
23786 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:00 pm to
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external revenues from Tariffs

Reducing the size of federal government while returning some duties to the States

Reduce expense by significantly reducing waste, fraud, abuse

Probably going to need some sort of federal sales tax / consumption tax. Which I’d greatly prefer over income taxes
Posted by CIGAR_cigarillo
Miami
Member since Oct 2024
556 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:45 pm to
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What happened to having skin in the game?


We tried that. The leeches rendered that obsolete.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
24382 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:48 pm to
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Because it's a revenue killer. All income above 150 would have to be taxed at an absurd clip to balance the revenue losses. I don't even know if it could work at 90 percent tax rate above 150K


90% of all tax revenue comes from people making 150,000 or more right now anyway.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
164795 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:36 am to
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90% of all tax revenue comes from people making 150,000 or more right now anyway.

And a good portion of that revenue starts well below the 150K threshold...
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60536 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:40 am to
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fear mongering
The only thing that backs up treasuries is confidence in the ability of our government to tax it's citizens. Otherwise, it's just paper.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60536 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:42 am to
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Why is it stupid?

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60536 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:43 am to
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He has no idea other than because Trump is proposing it.
Nope. This is a dumb idea no matter who proposes it.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60536 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:45 am to

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Lutnick addressed this mindset
Nope. It's simple math.
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