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re: SECNAV is either too stupid or naive to be SECNAV
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:22 pm to Lakeboy7
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:22 pm to Lakeboy7
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So you agree the (acting) SECNAVs "speech" to the crew was initiated by civilian authorities.
Explicitly. The Secretary of the Navy is the civilian director of the Department of the Navy.
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I just find it odd they are the genesis for this speech to the crew.
Well, I give him kudos because it was his decision, so he chose to go explain it to them, directly. He didn't send the CNO to do it. He didn't have fleet do it. He didn't have strike group do it. He relieved the guy, so he explained why.
I'm fine with it.
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 5:05 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:32 pm to ChineseBandit58
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yeah - if the Captain of an Aircraft Carrier can release stuff to the media, what can't a cook 3rd class?
Exactly
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:36 pm to Lakeboy7
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If, and its a big "if", that is true and the extent of it, put me in the ok column.
Did you listen to the remarks? Modly explained he was in direct communication with Crozier and that Crozier told him on Saturday that things were better and that, basically, his concerns were easing. He sent the memo on Sunday.
That seems to have been the catalyst for relieving him. In putting myself in Crozier's shoes, I might have submitted the memo, but I would have copied strike group, fleet and CNO. Maybe SECDEF.
Having anyone else on the distro would be presumptive grounds for relief, IMHO.
In putting myself in Modly's shoes, I would have relieved him. I don't think CNO disagreed with the decision part, but merely the speed.
It literally does not matter if Trump said or didn't say anything about it. He's the commander in chief. He's SECDEF and SECNAV's boss.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Remarks to the ship. Calls the CPT naive or stupid around 1:46, you can hear someone say “what the frick”
Remarks to the ship. Calls the CPT naive or stupid around 1:46, you can hear someone say “what the frick”
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:41 pm to Lakeboy7
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But this whole thing has been a cluster.
This, we can agree on.
But the question is why has this been a cluster? This captain put his concerns into the public eye as a means of influencing the decisions of his commanders, resulting in the clusterf**k you see today. He deserved to be fired as it has put everyone in a bad light.
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:44 pm to Lakeboy7
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I cant see a reason WHY he would let that fly with that distro, zero top cover. And a guy wit 28 years with multiple commands, heavily vetted etc etc.
I wondered the same thing. My only guess is that perhaps he got too big for his britches due to his success and/or simply panicked.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:47 pm to fatheadgator
The right decision was made to relieve him from command.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:47 pm to SlackMaster
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I wondered the same thing. My only guess is that perhaps he got too big for his britches due to his success and/or simply panicked.
Or he didn’t feel like his ship was getting the assistance he felt it needed and knew this would be the star cluster needed and was willing to make the sacrifice.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:49 pm to SlackMaster
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:50 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Remarks to the ship. Calls the CPT naive or stupid around 1:46, you can hear someone say “what the frick”
Which is the most appropriate response to this moron.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:52 pm to wickowick
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The captain brought the ship into port in Vietnam during the outbreak, he should have been fired.
1. The virus outbreak didn't come from Vietnam. we pulled in with another ship that has zero cases. The virus came from people we received onboard from the States after we pulled out of Vietnam.
2. The CO don't make the go/no go call for pulling into a port like Vietnam. We were sent there to honor the anniversary of renewal of diplomatic relations. That decision came from the theater commander.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:00 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:15 pm to Lakeboy7
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Lets look at what we know:
1. This was poorly thought out and planned;
2. Comes off as petty;
3. NOT orchestrated by the Navy.
This has Trump written all over it. All we are missing are the tweets.
Agreed!
It’s evident by the escalating actions of SECNAV- he initially said positive remarks about the Capt- then when he fired the Capt, he still said positive comments - it was 3days later that he goes on the TR to shite on the Capt?
I’d wager this was in retaliation to the sailors cheering the Capt- narcissists can’t handle sharing attention
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:24 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
As someone who is onboard and dealing with this, let me help you out.
1. The CO should not have been fired. The chain of command article was weak at best. SECNAV giving the CO his cell was outside the chain of command - and would have put the CO in a peculiar spot with at least 5 senior flag staffs.
2. The CO wrote the letter after a week of dealing with the crisis and after we (the officers aboard) were all told that additional help were not coming and we was going to have to care for each other and the crew. That is why the CO wrote the letter (with support from others that are not named in the media). He, and the senior leaders, felt as though no help was coming.
3. The CO sent the email to leaders in Naval Aviation which included the strike group commander and fleet commander. It was probably leaked by a CC'd person or a member of that person's staff who has access to the flag officer email (a common practice in the Navy).
4. The crew loved Crozier because he (even before this) put their best interest at heart. Good COs are hard to come by nowadays and the folks followed him. I'm Air Wing and respected the man because of how well he treated his crew.
5. The situation was much dire than the military want to admit. Even the number of positives currently being reported is lower than the actual number of cases. We were having trouble feeding the crew and taking care of basic ship needs because people were either positive COVID and had to be isolated or people were presumed to be close contact with positive cases and had to be quarantined. handling a pandemic on an carrier of 5K with 40 medical personnel is not ideal.
6. The other thing was we lost mission capability. Things arent how the movie depicts them. Yead you see the plane flies and bomb shite, but that plan dont fly without maintenance personnel getting it ready and the flight deck crew doing their part. And a lot of those people were sticken with the virus and couldn't work. Which mean we could do flight ops. And if a carrrier cant do flight ops, then we just a big arse boat in the water.
6. SECNAV didn't have to come all the way here and said what he said. He made his statement the day he fired the CO and that was that. While you all may cheer his words think of it as some "beating the chest moment" To us it was like somebody showed up to the funeral and talk shite about the deceased. It was uncalled for. Especially because we know the truth. People were already pissed at SECNAV because of the lack of candor in his statement about the firing. It has been over two weeks since the first positive tests; real action did not start until after the CO's letter. And even then it was hastily done, as it's taken 7 days and still dont have the kinks out the system. If SECNAV and team were planning, then they would have been able to implement the plan by the time we arrived in Guam on 27 March, four days after the first test.
I get the political leanings and the desire to defend. But for someone who is living through this and have to lead people through this, I'm telling you this was mishandled by leadership (DC and Hawaii) from the start. It was underestimated and misunderstood. The CO tried to paint the picture for what it was.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:27 pm to SlackMaster
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But the question is why has this been a cluster? This captain put his concerns into the public eye as a means of influencing the decisions of his commanders, resulting in the clusterf**k you see today. He deserved to be fired as it has put everyone in a bad light.
The firing is one thing. The piling on by SECNAV just seems unnecessary and pointless. Why continue to make this thing an issue?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:31 pm to Lakeboy7
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Ok man, what were the conditions on the ship. Either the Captain is not being truthful about the condition of the ship or the acting SECNAV is not being truthful about the Navy response to the outbreak.
Any insight would be appreciated.
I just wrote a larger response but the CO was accurate. The situation was bad. We tried to practice social distancing by using space naval base guam gave us and even that went bad. We couldnt feed the crew, we had thousands of people in gyms and elementary schools on cots. Some were getting one meal a day and on some days that was things like nachos (although they did get popeyes one days)
We had people locked up in 102 man berthing for days - these berthing are like 1200 feet so imagine how cramp it is when it's full and no one could leave. We had trouble feeding them also.
We had people sick and medical was overrun. And there was no end in sight
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The piling on by SECNAV just seems unnecessary and pointless. Why continue to make this thing an issue?
SECNAV went to Guam to talk to the crew and let them know why he had fired Captain Crozier. A crew member of the Roosevelt promptly posts the SECNAV's speech to social media after being asked not to do so. And it's the SECNAV who is making this an issue?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:32 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
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Royal Tiger Fan
Wait you are on TR right now?
Holy crap.
Also I'm just now realizing SECNAV came to the ship. I thought it was a pre-recorded message played over the system.
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