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re: SECNAV is either too stupid or naive to be SECNAV

Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:54 pm to
Does the Chain of Command allow for SECNAV to talk to a single ship over the PA system?

Wouldn't that message get filtered down?

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The acting secretary's comments are coming to light at a time when multiple defense officials tell CNN that there is such growing dismay at the highest ranks of the uniformed Navy over how Crozier was relieved of duty that many senior officers feel they cannot candidly speak about their views.


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Pentagon officials privately acknowledge, however, that Crozier may have exercised questionable judgement in sending an emotional message. They also express concern about how the firing was handled, the impact on crew morale and potential political involvement by the White House.
The Washington Post's David Ignatius reported that Modly told him he had fired Crozier in part out of concern that President Donald Trump might step into the case. "I didn't want to get into a decision where the President would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn't be decisive," Modly said, according to the Post.


Someone asked who SECNAV's employer is... it's the president.

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One US official tells CNN that Modly did not want to wait for an investigation into the matter to be completed before firing Crozier, even though the Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Mike Gilday wanted to pause and opposed the quick firing. Defense Secretary Mark Esper deferred the decision to Modly, who overruled Gilday.


SECNAV can overrule CNO but man that's huge.

I just don't understand why SECNAV needed to spike the football here. A decision was made, it was executed, we move on. Why did he feel the need to stir the pot with the sailors on the ship??

I don't care about tone or language. Just seems really stupid to have made that speech.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

Does the Chain of Command allow for SECNAV to talk to a single ship over the PA system?


The SECNAV can pretty much talk directly to any Navy asset he so desires...
Posted by Tacoma Tiger
Tacoma, WA
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:03 pm to
My first reaction when I read about his comments was that that it is pretty naive for a civilian secretary to be insulting a flag officer who was apparently well respected by his sailors. I understand why the Captain was relieved of duty but making insulting remarks toward him is another matter.
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2655 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:41 pm to
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Just in: Navy official pushes back on leak of Acting SecNav Modly remarks criticizing fired Capt. Crozier as "too stupid or too naive" to lead: “There is no official transcript of the Secretary’s remarks to the crew of USS Theodore Roosevelt." Remarks intended to be private.


I listened to his comments. He was spot on and we need more of this kind of principled leadership in government.
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2655 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:42 pm to
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first reaction when I read about his comments was that that it is pretty naive for a civilian secretary to be insulting a flag officer who was apparently well respected by his sailors


My first reaction to reading your comment is that you are a limp-wristed daisy.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89522 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:44 pm to
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insulting a flag officer


Squids/swabbies are free to correct me, but CAPT isn't flag.

Got to get those stars, baby.

CAPT (and full commander, CDR) is "just" a senior officer.

Hell, I was a "senior" officer in the Army by those standards.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:44 pm to
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I get the crews reaction.


They are probably just elated to be off the ship
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:46 pm to
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Squids/swabbies are free to correct me, but CAPT isn't flag.


Not a Navy puke but Flag Officer is O-7 or above...
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:46 pm to
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Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:48 pm to
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Lets look at what we know: 1. This was poorly thought out and planned; 2. Comes off as petty; 3. NOT orchestrated by the Navy. This has Trump written all over it. All we are missing are the tweets.


So, you know all of this? All of it?

Or is this simply your pathetic opinion on the matter?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:51 pm to
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3. NOT orchestrated by the Navy.


WHAT THE frick ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

SECNAV IS the Navy for all practical purposes for policy.

The CNO works for SECNAV, not the other way around.

Are you trying to say the Fleet didn't ask for him to do it? WHO GIVES A frick? He's the (acting) Secretary of the fricking Navy. I don't know what you're trying to get at with "orchestrated by the Navy" - ALL the uniformed navy personnel (and USMC for that matter) work for SECNAV.

Period. Full stop.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

Period. Full stop.


Come on man, surely there is an exception here and this is outside the normal lines of things and we should be worried about the feels...
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:57 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 6:50 am
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:59 pm to
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No, I'm afraid this is just beginning.


Really? You know who is next in line above SECNAV in the Chain?
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

Lets look at what we know


You don't shite.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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89522 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

Come on man, surely there is an exception here


Well, I don't normally mind LB on military issues - we have some common ground in some areas even if we don't always agree.

I asked him once already, but now I need him to spit it out - what about this situation is outside the authority of the Secretary of the Navy, for whom every single swabbie and jarhead, enlisted, warrant or commissioned officer work?

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79677 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Not orchestrated by the uniform navy


It doesn't have to be. Not sure what part of that you don't understand.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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89522 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Not orchestrated by the uniform navy, that better.


Yes. Again, the CNO works for SECNAV, not the other way around.

quote:

No, I'm afraid this is just beginning.


Well, the SECNAV works for SECDEF and POTUS.

What else you got?
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2655 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Lets look at what we know:

1. This was poorly thought out and planned;

2. Comes off as petty;

3. NOT orchestrated by the Navy.


quote:

Lakeboy7


Name checks out.

BTW, it wasn't petty. Good leadership explains decisions--especially when they are unpopular.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:05 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 5:08 am
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