re: SECNAV is either too stupid or naive to be SECNAV

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So, you're telling me that the Secretary of the Navy told a U.S. aircraft carrier that there was no help coming?

Or was it that the specific help requested wasn't available right now?

Because I can believe the latter, to a degree. The former doesn't make sense. The only measurable conventional combat power the USN has is the CVNs (and whatever cruise missiles you can muster).

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No...the Strike Group commander told the warfare commanders no help was coming. He got that from the fleet commanders. The information was passed to the ship officers after that. And the help was defined as isolation which was the only way to eradicate the virus among people living in close quarters.

It can down to two schools of thought. Total isolation or we go back out to sea with the virus. pierside in Guam without isolation wasn't a solution. the fleet commanders didn't want isolation - thats leaving a skeleton crew on the ship - but the local CVN leaders knew isolation was the only way to get the crew healthy to be able to operate the ship at peak performance. The fleet commanders didnt like the optic of a carrier down for a couple of weeks - but they also hadn't fully grasp the severity of the situation.

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I don't believe you, with all due respect.

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TDS! Lol literally telling a person who is on the TR - that you don’t believe their recollection of an event that they experienced bc it doesn’t fit your political narrative - amazing

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This is why I hate we're at odds. I can feel your anxiety and completely sympathize with your situation - I was in uniform, at the Superdome immediately after Katrina passed.

So, I know it is fricked up on many levels. Again, Godspeed and the best of luck.

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I understand. It's just hard to read the narrative the bureaucrats put out when it markedly different than the truth on the ground

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It's just hard to read the narrative the bureaucrats put out when it markedly different than the truth on the ground

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Now, about that, I have no doubts.

I've defended Crozier's right to raise the issue, but it was a risky move and this was a clear consequence of that risk decision.

naive

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Not true. I can assure his superior knew.

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So you are on the USS Roosevelt?

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We had to email questions the night before his visit. his plan was to give a small talk then respond to the questions.

I think after reading the questions (he sat outside the ship in a tent awhile before he came onboard) he decided he needed to give the speech he did and not answer the questions (his speech didnt sound like prepared remarks)

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But that deserves kudos. Dismiss the men, I know what’s best!

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A guy that all of those shipmen and sailors don’t give 2 shits about, have had zero interactions with, 

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So what? That's how the military works. New guy is in charge and you don't get to have feelings. It's like people are taking crazy pills!

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Last time I checked, CVN works for CSG works for fleet. If fleet says go to sea with the virus, you go to sea with the virus. You don't have to like it. You can register an objection. You can offer to resign.

You can't go to the press.

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I think you misunderstood me. The fleet wanted us pierside to wait it out. We wanted isolation or to go back to sea with the virus (it's easier out to sea than pierside).

I doubt the CO sent it to the press. I think it was a some on else on the ship. But i wouldnt be surprise if the CO knew it would end up in the press.

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So you are on the USS Roosevelt?

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yes i am