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re: SCOTUS will hear Birthright Citizenship case

Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
67649 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:05 pm to
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This is MAGA in this example


MAGA just does it by executive fiat...
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69380 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:06 pm to
If the 14th Amendment’s “and subject to the jurisdiction therein” applied to the children of illegal immigrants, then Congress would not have needed separate legislation in the early 20th century to extend citizenship to Native Americans.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75480 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:06 pm to
I posted it because of the CNN coverage, jizz rag.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2476 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Originialism is a form of textualism. Textualism is “the law means what it says”. Originalism is “the text means what it said at the time it was written.” Originalism is the intellectually honest version of textualism, especially if one views lawmaking as a social contract.
I hope you are trolling.

Harvard Law Review: Textualism and Originalism are Incompatible.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48196 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:06 pm to
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quote:
Those who argue for a “living constitution” want to push unpopular changes via judicial decree because they lack the electoral consensus to change the Constitution via the amendment process.
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This is MAGA in this example.

/\ THIS /\ is bullshite in its most insipid form.

Precisely the opposite is true
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13556 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:06 pm to
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There is really no reason to accept this case to only affirm the lower courts. They could do that by denying the writ application.



And then it drags on when a different circuit rules a different way creating a circuit split. They are nipping it in the bud by taking it from the district court.

I think it'll be 7-2 against Trump, and they will outline the process that needs to unfold to end birthright citizenship.
Posted by TOPAL
Member since Mar 2010
4951 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:07 pm to
About 30 years too late; country is radically changed in demographics. 3rd world here we come in ten years.
(except the top 10%)
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69380 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:08 pm to
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MAGA just does it by executive fiat...


On this we agree, which is why MAGA’s reforms are so temporary and shallow. They will be instantly undone by whatever regime follows him without Congressional action. This is why RINO’s fight so hard to ensure gridlock in Congress to “wait out” MAGA and “run out the clock”.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85639 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:09 pm to
Sadly you are right
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467749 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:10 pm to
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If the 14th Amendment’s “and subject to the jurisdiction therein” applied to the children of illegal immigrants, then Congress would not have needed separate legislation in the early 20th century to extend citizenship to Native Americans.

The only reason Indians weren't included in WKA was stare decisis and Elk v. Wilkins. That's why Congress had to pass a law.

Did Congress have to do this with anyone else? No.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467749 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:10 pm to
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/\ THIS /\ is bullshite in its most insipid form.

Precisely the opposite is true

Not really. It just creates a conflict with your talking points and how you see your in-group identification.
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
869 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:12 pm to
BTW there is a second case 25-364 that SCOTUS did not grant writs, did not deny writs either. In that case some believe there is an issue with standing. SCOTUS may not dispose of the second case until after they render a decision in the present case. If writs are denied in 364 before 365 is decided then overturning the lower courts in 365 is not looking good.
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
869 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:15 pm to
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I think it'll be 7-2 against Trump,


6-3 in favor of Trump
read the briefs
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467749 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:16 pm to
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read the briefs

Can you tell me the best brief that doesn't rely on legislative intent or language of the legislators who drafted the 14A?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69380 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:16 pm to
The premise in this article is laughable. It basically states “ignore the drafter’s own words”.

Louisiana has the most beautiful solution to the question of “legislative intent”. In Louisiana, we are ruled by our Civil Code, many of its provisions date back to the Roman “law of the 12 tables” and “Institutes of Gaius”. However, how can we know exactly what those code articles mean especially when they have been translated and retranslated from Latin to Greek, Spanish, French, and English?

That’s easy, the legislators vote on “official comments”. The comments lay out exactly what a code article is supposed to mean. Sometimes, these comments are meant to repudiate and override a decision by the Louisiana Supreme Court. It’s a way to tell judges how to interpret a law by actively saying “nah, fam, f$&k precedent, the legislature intends THIS!”

I would love to see the U.S. adopt a similar approach to the Constitution.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17753 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:17 pm to
This is glorious.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24868 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:17 pm to
You really are retarded.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48196 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:17 pm to
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his journey abandoning textualism

What his version of textualism and your version are not necessarily congruent.

I'd like to align myself with what the 'common sense' definition of the problem they were trying to fix was at the time they wrote it.

I would guarantee that they NEVER considered the potential of someone ILLEGALLY flying in hundreds of thousands of aliens to dump in selected legislative district in order to upend the census records.

Nor would they have considered the wholesale disregard of the rest of the laws of the land to allow another 20,000,000 aliens to walk across the border without a moment of vetting, to set up shop as charges of the state to feed, house, treat, defend, allow to commit crime at will, and fight any attempt to actually apply the laws of the land to get them deported.

you KNOW they would have either laughed their asses off at YOUR interpretation of what they had written - or else just shot your arse for being so gullible.

But go ahead - you b you.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125749 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:22 pm to
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If you ignore that's literally what they did


The entire argument is based upon “the Common Law” of England. It ports the concept of jus soli from the monarchy of England to our country which was formed in direct opposition to the monarchy.

In short, no.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467749 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:22 pm to
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It basically states “ignore the drafter’s own words”.



Which is exactly what Scalia and Thomas preached for decades.

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That’s easy, the legislators vote on “official comments”. The comments lay out exactly what a code article is supposed to mean. Sometimes, these comments are meant to repudiate and override a decision by the Louisiana Supreme Court.

And our codal comments have no jurisprudential weight and the courts often ignore them, even if the comments specifically note a change was to overrule the LASC.

I have argued one of these cases at the appellate level and won. Over a textual change SPECIFICALLY written to overrule a LASC case. Legislative history and comments both establish that was the intent. Why was this ultimately a failure? They written text used in the change didn't fix the problem that LASC had previously ruled on. All it did was make a sloppier statute sloppier, with the same limitations as the prior status after the prior LASC ruling.
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