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re: Same sex marriages
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:35 am to Stinger_1066
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:35 am to Stinger_1066
I think seriously responding to someone who claims all gays demanded cakes because one couple sued is a waste of your time.
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:37 am to Yewkindewit
You mean queer better half is unacceptable?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:38 am to FooManChoo
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you would like to discuss homosexuality, go for it
Homosexuality has been around as long as man has been on Earth. It's also been documented in the animal kingdom in numerous species. Is it normal for humans to be gay...no it's not. I personally believe you are born that way however, I also believe it's due to a chemical/hormone imbalance while you're in the womb but back to the thread factual history shows " marriage " is not a religious institution and is government controlled.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:40 am to FooManChoo
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Christians can advocate for changes to law just like everyone else can. Why are you so bigoted against Christians?
I am not bigoted against Christians. They have the same right to the pursuits of life, liberty and happiness as the rest of the law-abiding citizens of the United States.
And, thankfully, none of the multiple Christian denominations in this country is the legal authority in this country.
But you sound like you would prefer it if your particular flavor of religion was the legal authority. If that is what you want, you need to go find a different country to live in.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:41 am to Stinger_1066
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One man / one woman. Two men. Two women. Multiple partners of both genders. Who cares?
How old do they need to be?
Because people care about that, probably you included. The law reflects that, just like it reflects the fact that most people don't think polygamy is a good idea.
You're coming really close to the old "you can't legislate morality" trope.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:44 am to Lake08
They're not married.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:47 am to SOSFAN
quote:The first humans were not homosexual.
Homosexuality has been around as long as man has been on Earth.
Regardless, I agree that the sin of homosexuality is old. So is the sin of murder. Sin isn't grandfathered in just because it's old.
quote:So is theft, rape, incest, and murder (or at least killing, since murder is a legal term).
It's also been documented in the animal kingdom in numerous species.
I hope you aren't advocating for acceptance of all behaviors found in animals.
quote:Are you justifying it based on a supposed chemical/hormone imbalance? What of those whose chemicals and hormones drive them to kill themselves and others? Should we accept all behaviors that "chemicals/hormones" may make it more difficult for a person to control?
Is it normal for humans to be gay...no it's not. Who cares if it is "normal" in your w I personally believe you are born that way however, I also believe it's due to a chemical/hormone imbalance while you're in the womb
quote:God gave marriage within the context of His creation, for a foundational support for society, including and especially procreation, and as a picture of the mystical union of Jesus Christ and His Church.
but back to the thread factual history shows " marriage " is not a religious institution and is government controlled.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:50 am to Lake08
I label them as fricked up! It is not part of gods plan
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:52 am to Lake08
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 8:54 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:53 am to Flats
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How old do they need to be?
Because people care about that, probably you included. The law reflects that, just like it reflects the fact that most people don't think polygamy is a good idea.
You're coming really close to the old "you can't legislate morality" trope.
I'm not advocating for the age limits to be any different than they are today, although they are kind of arbitrary, don't you think?
It has not been that long ago when girls as young as 12 were allowed to be given away by their families to older men as wives. Changing the law to make it 16, 17 or 18 is very arbitrary, but the older the better, in my humble opinion.
I also don't understand the arguments against polygamy as a concept as long as all parties are consenting adults.
Yes, I know it has been abused as a sex-trafficking mechanism.
But arranged marriages are really nothing more than legalized sex-trafficking. Especially when a dowry is included.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:53 am to Stinger_1066
quote:You sure? You certainly sound like it's a good thing Christians don't get what they want in society, as if Christian beliefs are objectively wrong and bad for everyone.
I am not bigoted against Christians. They have the same right to the pursuits of life, liberty and happiness as the rest of the law-abiding citizens of the United States.
quote:Why? Is secularism objectively better?
And, thankfully, none of the multiple Christian denominations in this country is the legal authority in this country.
quote:Why do I need to find another country to live in rather than advocate for changes in this country?
But you sound like you would prefer it if your particular flavor of religion was the legal authority. If that is what you want, you need to go find a different country to live in.
BTW, I don't think the State should be run by the Church, but I do believe the state should be run in accordance to biblical notions of civil justice. Jesus Christ is King over the state and all civil rulers will have to give an account to Him one day for how they governed. The Church and the State should work together for the same ultimate ends of glorifying God, but they have different spheres of authority.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:55 am to Lake08
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Honest question no trolling. How do you label them? Husband/wife? Partners? They were doing a piece on Brianna Stewart (WNBA player) and they said she a “proud wife”. Obviously she’s married to a woman. What do you call the other woman?
I wouldn’t be much of a Christian, as in a believer in the teachings of scripture, if I didn’t recognize God’s definition of marriage first and foremost.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 8:57 am to SOSFAN
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Which is the exact same reasons gays wanted marriage.
Understood, and if it had stopped there I seriously doubt anyone would care- except maybe the wording of marriage vs civil union.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:02 am to Stinger_1066
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I bet you don't consider circumcision to be mutilation, do you?
Actually, I do VERY much consider it mutilation. Also, I consider infant earpiercing mutilation.
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They expect businesses with state-sanctioned business licenses to recognize their state-sanctioned marriage. If you want to operate as a state-sanctioned business, then you should follow the rules of the state.
Bake the cake? No, thank you. I wouldn't expect a muslim run bakery to do it either.
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If you want to work toward a society where the state has less control, then I'm all for it. But right now, that is not the society that we live in.
Yes, I want Freedom of Association to make a comeback. No one, or business, should be forced to do anything against their beliefs to satisfy an individual that can receive elective product or services elsewhere.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:02 am to Stinger_1066
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I'm not advocating for the age limits to be any different than they are today,
Why not?
It's a simple fact that successful cultures incorporate moral norms into daily living. Sometimes just with peer pressure, sometimes they're codified. Legal restrictions on who can marry, WHICH WE STILL HAVE, are going to be based on those moral norms. Some states will probably et a 16 year old marry an 18 year old, some probably don't. If gay marriage was struck down tomorrow nothing really would have changed in how we run things, we'd just be drawing the line in a different place.
But we all want the line somewhere. There are some morals important enough to each of us that we want them enforced on others whether they agree with them or not. People who attempt to make this some black/white issue where "that other guy wants to legislate morality but I don't" are only fooling themselves.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:06 am to SOSFAN
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Maybe you should actually research history before posting bullshite.
Maybe you should actually read and comprehend what someone posted before being such an arrogant prick.
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Marriage pre-dates Christianity by thousands of years.
No shite, moron.
He didn't say Christianity, he said the Bible. The Bible starts thousands of years before Christianity. In fact, the establishment of Christianity is at the end of the Bible, not the beginning of it.
It starts with the beginning (if not the beginning of the world—Biblical scholars disagree on that—at least the beginning of the world as inhabited by humans.). Before Christianity, before Judaism, before any religion.
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The Aboriginal people of Australia have a strong marriage tradition, a society that dates back at least 30,000 years.
I seriously doubt that anybody can date that with any kind of certainty, but even if they can, yeah, that's the point.
People have figured out since there were people to figure it out that marriage between men and women was the common sense way to conduct ourselves.
Half the population is walking around with sexual organs that we could call an "innie" and the other half has an "outie." And what do you know, one half also has half of the material needed to reproduce and the other half has the other half.
It doesn't take instructions from IKEA to understand how the parts are supposed to fit together.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:10 am to FooManChoo
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You sure? You certainly sound like it's a good thing Christians don't get what they want in society, as if Christian beliefs are objectively wrong and bad for everyone.
Never said Christian beliefs are "bad" for "everyone".
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Why? Is secularism objectively better?
Yes, because secular beliefs are not based upon words written by a bunch of men 1700+ years ago that are attributed to an imaginary being, have been translated into multiple languages, and to where their believers can't even agree on what they actually say or mean.
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I do believe the state should be run in accordance to biblical notions of civil justice. Jesus Christ is King over the state and all civil rulers will have to give an account to Him one day for how they governed. The Church and the State should work together for the same ultimate ends of glorifying God, but they have different spheres of authority.
States and systems of civil justice existed long before the Christian era.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:11 am to Stinger_1066
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Yes, because secular beliefs are not based upon words written by a bunch of men 1700+ years ago
What are they based on? Your own thoughts from 5 minutes ago?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:13 am to Flats
There’s no such thing as same sex marriage.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:13 am to Stinger_1066
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If that is what you want, you need to go find a different country to live in.
Based on what?
Some slogan that appeared in a letter that people attribute to the constitution that was never in there?
Remember, the federal government didn't give rise to the state government. It was the other way around. And every state charter/constitution at the time that they ratified the constitution acknowledged God as our supreme authority. And we're definitely talking about the God of the Bible; some of those states even named Jesus Christ in their official documents.
So the idea that religious foundations for establishing norms and laws is against the spirit of this country is simply not factual nor is it based in anything but a growing desire to rebel against God.
It's certainly not based in American history.
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