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re: Same sex marriages
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:39 pm to Stinger_1066
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:39 pm to Stinger_1066
quote:I did. A lot. All the time.
Did you ever lust for a woman prior to being married?
And yet I was in sin for doing that just as I am in sin when I do that today, for any woman not my wife.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:40 pm to Stinger_1066
quote:Not any longer. Too many genetic issues that would create harm for children conceived as the result of such a union.
So you are OK with siblings marrying and procreating?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:40 pm to wackatimesthree
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Great. Why am I supposed to care about your rule of thumb when it appeals to no one or nothing of a higher authority than yourself?
If someone else's rule of thumb is, "If there's grass on the field, it's game time," who are you to tell them they are wrong?
Would the person who uses the "grass on the field" criteria apply that same criterion to eligibility for military service? I highly doubt that.
The part you left out was I also said I accept the existing rule of law, which is age of consent between 16 and 18 in most states under varying circumstances. AND that I would oppose it going any lower than that. In fact, I might favor it moving higher than that, if it aligned with my military service criteria.
What has not been established is at what age YOU draw the line at "too young to marry" and what authority you look to to define it.
Are you OK with parents giving away their 12-year-old daughters to older men like they did in the Bible?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:45 pm to wackatimesthree
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That if that majority existed in favor of slavery, for example, slavery would be the law of the land.
But it doesn't. Like I said, the collective wisdom of mankind over the entirety of history (the majority) led to the amending of a document (the Constitution) that at one time condoned slavery under certain circumstances to one that no longer does under any circumstances.
You cannot say the same thing about your Bible. Your Bible is not open to amendment. Your Bible says slaves should accept their fate. It does not say slavery is wrong.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 5:04 pm to wackatimesthree
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Except that it did. That's actually what history shows.
Even today. Look at India today, in which arranged marriages are still the norm. Not between 30 year olds and 12 year olds (that I know of), but marriages are still arranged by parents and their divorce rate is 1%.
Ours is what? Now a little over 50%?
Wait, so now you are advocating for arranged marriages in the United States?
If it works as well in India as you say, then by your logic we should all convert to Hinduism, am I right?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 5:16 pm to wackatimesthree
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I may or may not come back to the thread, as it is clear that you will not address the actual point. For now I am going to take a nap.
You are all over the place. I'm no longer sure what point I'm supposed to be addressing.
Here are my points:
1 - There should be no state sanctioning of "marriages". Only civil unions.
2 - Civil unions should be open ended without restriction on number of participants or gender, as long as all participants are consenting adults.
3 - the age of consent should be higher rather than lower.
4 - churches should be able to define a marriage however they see fit, as long as the participants are of the societally agreed age of consent. But don't come asking for the taxpayers to bail out your failed arrangements if no civil union was agreed to. No welfare for having too many kids or not being able to pay your bills. Financial support for failed marriages should be the sole responsibility of the families and the church.
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