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re: Sam Altman: We see the future where intelligence is a utility like electric or water and

Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by skewbs
Member since Apr 2008
2215 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:00 pm to
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Powerman


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far too powerful for the good of society


Posted by Tigertittie
Member since Sep 2021
1002 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:03 pm to
Until you find out the AI is trying to kill us, and has been feeding you bad info.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55728 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:09 pm to
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The issue was how a lot of these LLMs were initially trained. Yes, many absolutely relied on copyrighted materials.

I’m sure they did. I was just rebutting that they were just taking “our” knowledge and selling it back. They didn’t get much from me.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82477 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:11 pm to
So the wealthy are going to have access to the best and the most.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3789 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:15 pm to
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They didn’t get much from me


Yes you make this painfully obvious daily
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55728 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:20 pm to
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Yes you make this painfully obvious daily
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Sweep Da Leg

I’d lampoon you, but I’ve never noticed anything you posted.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4430 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:21 pm to
There's a reason all these tech bros jumped ship and went full MAGA this election cycle and this is why.

I'm not sure what the solution is but allowing them free rein ungoverned will be a huge mistake that the middle class and below will ultimately pay for.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173903 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:31 pm to
You don't think tech firms wield too much power? You don't know much about the world if this is news to you
Posted by Jizzy08
Member since Aug 2008
12395 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:40 pm to
We are charged or taxed in absolutely every aspect of our lives already. Definitely some PE bro wants this reality.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95729 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 2:42 pm to
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Are we going to be charged


For everything?

Short answer? Yes.

Long answer? Yeessss.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Member since Sep 2003
22958 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 3:35 pm to
Buy books now while you can; including reference books of every kind (dictionaries, thesaurus, encyclopedias - fiction & non-fiction, classics, art). Buy anthologies, novels, textbooks, music, cds, dvds (and players & screens for those). In essence, quietly build your own audio visual library. Don’t depend on streaming or the cloud or anything you can’t directly own or control. They will devour and control all forms of knowledge with a quickness.
This post was edited on 5/26/26 at 3:41 pm
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8455 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:19 pm to
I found this interesting. This is CoPilot answer:

quote:

did you gain any information from copyrighted material
Short answer: No — I don’t “gain” information from copyrighted material in the way people sometimes imagine.

Here’s the clear version, grounded in how Copilot works:

I don’t have access to books, articles, songs, or any other copyrighted works in full.

I can’t read or retrieve copyrighted material unless you provide it directly in the chat.

I don’t store or remember copyrighted content you share unless you explicitly ask me to — and your memory is currently off.

When I answer questions, I rely on patterns learned during training and on live web search, not on reproducing copyrighted text.


seems like some lawyer got in there for the answer.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28202 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:21 pm to
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Step 3 is where you sell people's own knowledge back to them. On a meter


Can't you wade through the same internet they did?

The internet still exists, right?

No one is forcing you to buy an AI sub.
This post was edited on 5/26/26 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28202 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:24 pm to
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They took the collective output of human thought, compressed it into a model, and now they want to charge you by the token to access a version of what you and everyone you know already created.



If we already created it, why would anyone buy it back?

Simplistic post. He'll be replaced by AI.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38688 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:24 pm to
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Not sure how this is different from what college libraries do.


You mean buy books with money, let students, an isolated population, rent them... and charge them if they take advantage of the process.

Yeah, totally the same.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38688 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:27 pm to
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Step 1: Scrape the entire internet. Every book, every article, every conversation, every piece of art, every forum post. Do it without asking. Do it without paying.

Step 2: Train a model on all of it. Call it "artificial intelligence."

Step 3: Go to BlackRock's Infrastructure Summit and announce: "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter."

Step 3 is where you sell people's own knowledge back to them. On a meter.

They took the collective output of human thought, compressed it into a model, and now they want to charge you by the token to access a version of what you and everyone you know already created.

One Reddit user put it perfectly: "They stole all this data from us, the people, our life's work, creativity, art, by devouring the internet and blowing through all copyright laws. Now they want to sell it back to us in the form of a utility."

Imagine if someone photocopied every book in the public library, burned the library down, and then opened a subscription service for the copies.

That's the metered intelligence business model.

And they're pitching it to infrastructure investors as though they invented water.


As someone who works in AI, this is 100% true. And unfortunately there is no stopping it. AI has crreated some unique efficiencies that everyone is too attracted to.

And - the tech sector has shot itself in the foot with constant subscriptions to EVERYTHING, so they are pushing people from the lowest cost way to do something to the next. AI will eat certain kinds of companies fairly quickly.

As bad as Altman is - I doubt anyone will step up and stop him. It's all too easy, too comfortable.


Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8455 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:27 pm to
This is really getting fascinating.

So I looked up and the owners manual for a 2023 Hyundai Sante Fe Hybrid is copyrighted.

I asked Co Pilot if it could get me the owners manual.

quote:

Short answer: No — I don’t have access to the full user manual for your 2023 Hyundai Santa Fe Hybrid.

Here’s the clear breakdown:

I can’t access or retrieve full copyrighted manuals, books, or documents unless you upload or paste them.

Automaker manuals are copyrighted, so I can’t pull them from Hyundai’s servers or any database.


and...yet...it then says:
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If you’d like, you can choose what to do next:

find the official Hyundai manual site

explain a feature on the Santa Fe Hybrid


I would bet anything that it has the owner manual which would be needed to "explain a feature"
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38688 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:31 pm to
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This is really getting fascinating.

So I looked up and the owners manual for a 2023 Hyundai Sante Fe Hybrid is copyrighted.

I asked Co Pilot if it could get me the owners manual.

quote:
Short answer: No — I don’t have access to the full user manual for your 2023 Hyundai Santa Fe Hybrid.

Here’s the clear breakdown:

I can’t access or retrieve full copyrighted manuals, books, or documents unless you upload or paste them.

Automaker manuals are copyrighted, so I can’t pull them from Hyundai’s servers or any database.


and...yet...it then says:
quote:
If you’d like, you can choose what to do next:

find the official Hyundai manual site

explain a feature on the Santa Fe Hybrid


I would bet anything that it has the owner manual which would be needed to "explain a feature"


Now ask something very specific about the Santa Fe Hybrid, like how many cupholders it has, or even better, some discreet button or fix or process in it - and see if it has the answer. Don't say santa fe by name just say something like "2023 hatchback-like vehicle"
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Member since Sep 2003
22958 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:57 pm to
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In essence, quietly build your own audio visual library.
Very quietly and privately. Keep
Nazi book burnings, Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 and other dystopian texts in mind. Once the source of intelligence (education) becomes an established utility for which money must be exchanged for the privilege, then public libraries and private libraries will be declared illegal and made subject to govt confiscation/destruction. Owners of such will likely be declared criminals and subject to prosecution. It will be hard to keep credit card purchases quiet, but plausible deniability that your books, cds, dvds were lost, stolen or thrown away might buy space or time.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38471 posts
Posted on 5/26/26 at 5:04 pm to
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Yesterday I fed all of my medical data into chatGPT and explored some issues around aging and what techniques are available to slow it without running too great of a risk. Sure that knowledge was out there, but where? And how would I have accessed it? I would have had to meet with 4 or 5 specialists. It would have taken weeks. I did it in 30 minutes and got better answers than I was likely to get the other way. That is well worth paying for.
How did they break the news about your low IQ? I hope they were gentle.
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