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re: Salon: "1917" has one major flaw - it's irresponsibly nationalistic
Posted on 1/12/20 at 2:39 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/12/20 at 2:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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These people are insane.
Please tell me of all these new oppressions of racial minorities that have evolved since 2016.
When Trump pulls 20% of the black vote in November, that narrative is deader than Julius Caesar.
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
I heard it wasn’t great, I’ll pass
Posted on 1/12/20 at 6:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Where do you find this stuff? Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 6:41 pm to RJYH
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Where do you find this stuff?
following lots of far left pages on FB
Posted on 1/12/20 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Got some names to follow on Twitter?
Posted on 1/12/20 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:31 pm to Godfather1
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I felt the same way at the time about the last truly great war epic, “Saving Private Ryan”. I still think it’s the greatest movie ever nominated for Best Picture not to win.
I agree. Saving Private Ryan was a game changing film for how war movies should be made. Unbelievable special effects and realism the likes had never been seen in a movie before. It remains the only movie I've ever gone to see more than once in a theater. I'm a big war history buff. Especially WWII and watching that movie was stunning the first time I saw it.
I wish they made more like it and more movies of that quality on WWI and Korea. There's a lot of stories to be told from those wars. It's a shame they don't get made into movies directed by our most talented film makers.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 1:58 am to SlowFlowPro
They do realize that it wasn't the American's who were fascist, right?
Posted on 1/13/20 at 6:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Isn't Salon a chick magazine?
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:06 am to Zach
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But history is always fascinating. If this movie is hated by the left it might just be accurate.
I didn't see the film AND you certainly could be absolutely correct. I like the idea of making the film about two ordinary soldiers doing perilous and extra-ordinary things.
My only quibble is that I read a brief summary of the plot. A German flyer is included as part of one dramatic plot event. This flyer is portrayed as a perfidious psycho and not at all like a real German WW1 flyer. That's my quibble: sure, if you want to make a WW1 film that makes all of the British seem like one big race of Heroes, fine. But, as that transpires, must one also portray your enemy as evil, murderous and perfidious villains? To me, that takes the entire film vehicle out of the realm of verisimilitude and into the realm of comic book fantasy.
I don't know, maybe the film-maker's intent IS to make a comic book fantasy about British WW1 Heroism. If that is the case, they seem to have succeeded. But this is not my type of film. I don't care for comic books made into motion pictures.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
The guy that wrote the article must live an absolutely miserable life. I mean... to go into EVERYTHING looking for a political angle and looking for a reason to hate it? Geez.
To be honest, he sounds like some of the "Don't go see Knives Out, it is dripping with social commentary on Trump voters" people.
To be honest, he sounds like some of the "Don't go see Knives Out, it is dripping with social commentary on Trump voters" people.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 10:08 am to BuzzSaw 12
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Unbelievable special effects and realism the likes had never been seen in a movie before.
I knew 3 WWII vets (all deceased now). They had trouble describing one aspect of battle that a movie cannot reproduce....the smell. It was a mixture of the smell created by artillery explosions and gunfire mixed with the smell of dead bodies.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
What this jack puff does not get is that nationalism is a natural outgrowth for this time especially in the Balkan that were just emerging after being under the thumb of the Ottoman Turk for the previous 400+ years. The Serbs were a relatively new country after being under Turk domination. The Serbs have always been very nationalistic.....still are.
WWI could have been averted if Nicholas II does not pledge to support the Serbs against the Austrians start up against the Serbs who had been causing trouble throughout the Austrian empire especially in Bosnia. WWI was not a war that Britain wanted and really the Germans were not terribly keen on it either.....lots of German students were educated at Oxford, Cambridge, etc. Wilhelm and George were 1st cousins, Wilhelm was a titled noble in Britain, etc.
The western powers of Britain France and Germany were all about preserving overseas empire possibly expanding it.
WWI could have been averted if Nicholas II does not pledge to support the Serbs against the Austrians start up against the Serbs who had been causing trouble throughout the Austrian empire especially in Bosnia. WWI was not a war that Britain wanted and really the Germans were not terribly keen on it either.....lots of German students were educated at Oxford, Cambridge, etc. Wilhelm and George were 1st cousins, Wilhelm was a titled noble in Britain, etc.
The western powers of Britain France and Germany were all about preserving overseas empire possibly expanding it.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 10:26 am to Champagne
Agree. Perhaps. The makers ave not read All Quiet on the Western Front....most German soldiers were regular people not wanting to get their arses shot up. The movie War Horse showed the Germans more accurately especially when the German commander early on chastised the British commander he captures after mowing down most of the British cavalry regiment.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 10:30 am to BeeFense5
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The writer isn't even saying that he wants a movie like that. He just wants a movie that says Orange man bad no matter the nuance surrounding the situation.
I want a movie about the Seven years War where the bad guy is French General named Doniell Trumpette.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 11:00 am to Champagne
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My only quibble is that I read a brief summary of the plot. A German flyer is included as part of one dramatic plot event. This flyer is portrayed as a perfidious psycho and not at all like a real German WW1 flyer.
Context.
See the movie. You’ll understand.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 12:14 pm to Champagne
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My only quibble is that I read a brief summary of the plot. A German flyer is included as part of one dramatic plot event. This flyer is portrayed as a perfidious psycho and not at all like a real German WW1 flyer.
That's not exactly what happens
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To me, that takes the entire film vehicle out of the realm of verisimilitude and into the realm of comic book fantasy.
Yeah... maybe watch it first
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:03 pm to Godfather1
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Context.
See the movie. You’ll understand.
No thanks.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:03 pm to CountryVolFan
No thanks.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:23 pm to Zach
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I knew 3 WWII vets (all deceased now). They had trouble describing one aspect of battle that a movie cannot reproduce....the smell. It was a mixture of the smell created by artillery explosions and gunfire mixed with the smell of dead bodies.
"With the Old Breed" by E.B. Sledge is recommended reading to understand the gory details of war that a movie cannot replicate.
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