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re: Salon: "1917" has one major flaw - it's irresponsibly nationalistic
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:14 am to Powerman
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:14 am to Powerman
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The only way that commentary could have been worse is if it was from Vox
If I had prescience to know they were going to be such such a fountain of perpetual vagina sand, I might've chosen a different screen name .
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why would politics have any place in this movie?
The writer goes on to say that is "political" and "immoral" to film a movie with a neutral take on war. That is just an unbelievable take quake that I can't even deal with it.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:18 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Just tell me whether it's worth the eight bucks to see it.
Saw it yesterday, definitely one to see in the theater. It's sad like most war movies but the imagery is great.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:23 am to BeeFense5
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That rhetoric motivated World War I just as much as it drives Trumpism today. As such, rewarding “1917” with awards and acclaim — at least acclaim that ignores its problematic politics in order to myopically focus on its abstract artistic merits — implicitly validates a philosophy that our world desperately, desperately needs to delegitimize.
That rhetoric could've ended WWI. The fact is that these complicated international alliances forced each belligerent country to fight another country simply because of a contractual obligation. That's more like globalism than nationalism. Hell, the biggest rally cry for the British when they got in the war was "Remember Belgium".
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:24 am to upgrayedd
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These people could depress a bride on her wedding day
That's their goal. I'm convinced so many of these types just had zero challenges in their childhood, and this is their psyche just looking for something, anything, to believe in because they don't believe in themselves.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:28 am to upgrayedd
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The fact is that these complicated international alliances forced each belligerent country to fight another country simply because of a contractual obligation. That's more like globalism than nationalism
Yeah I made that point in OP
Nationalism certainly played a role (primarily Germany), but imperialism and globalism combined to make it a "world" war. It's almost impossible for a large group of truly nationalistic countries to go all Captain Planet and start a "world" war
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is much moral accountability to go around in World War I. As historian Lawrence Rosenthal wrote, the Great Powers that started World War I did so because of “. . . a new and aggressive nationalism, different from its predecessors, [that] engaged the fierce us-them group emotions – loyalty inwards, aggression outwards
I’m shocked they left out international high finance......
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:31 am to Jcorye1
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That's their goal. I'm convinced so many of these types just had zero challenges in their childhood, and this is their psyche just looking for something, anything, to believe in because they don't believe in themselves.
That's part of it but conflict forces creativity and a good life is bad for business for a self-professed "creative type". Also the universal love for this (apparently great) movie requires a lot of "nuance" to try to be negative while reviewing. I call it being clever (which is trying to sound smart without being smart).
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Problematic pays
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:36 am to upgrayedd
That's why memes like "Islam is right about women" or "It's OK to be white" are so funny to me. They've created so much bullshite conflict they are a Godian Knot with relatively simple ideas.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
How did he like the new Rambo?
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:37 am to upgrayedd
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Didn't read the article, but was he upset about the lack of people of color in the movie as well?
Saw it last night, people of color were pretty fairly represented in keeping with history.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:40 am to BamaChemE
Rozsa is well known anti-white hate speech writer, it’s what he does.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's why memes like "Islam is right about women" or "It's OK to be white" are so funny to me.
Those are easily the best memes ever created.
All it does is put a mirror on the situation and causes mass confusion and panic.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Sam Mendes shoehorned a turban wearing Sikh and one black guy into the movie for no other reason than to be “multicultural” and “multinational”.
Author obviously didn’t pay attention
Author obviously didn’t pay attention
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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forged alliances
Like the EU?
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:00 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Your first mistake was reading Salon.
I find it amusing when people send me 'journalist pieces' from Salon as proof of something, and then complain about sites like Breitbart or InfoWars
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:04 am to FightinTigersDammit
It's definitely worth the money and go see it in a good theater. I'm no expert on cinematography but the way the movie is shot is incredible. I'm not going to give anything away by saying this but it's basically shot in a way that the camera follows the main characters without any breaks until a little more than halfway thru the movie then there is one brief blackout scene then it continues till the end. It's amazing!
1917 should cleanup at the Academy awards but it probably wont because of the ignorant political correctness of Hollywood which is exemplified in the article this thread references.
1917 should cleanup at the Academy awards but it probably wont because of the ignorant political correctness of Hollywood which is exemplified in the article this thread references.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
These people believe duty, honor, and patriotism are dirty words.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
I haven't seen the movie but I've read a lot of the transcripts collected by archivists around 1960-70 who interviewed the remaining WWI vets from the US.
I didn't see a lot of nationalism in their recollections. The overwhelming consistency in their stories was extreme Stoicism. A man does not complain.
So, if the question was 'How was it to lose your leg from a land mine?' or 'How was it to lose an eye while being gassed in the trenches?'
The answer was always something like: 'Oh, it wasn't so bad. Some guys got it worse. I have no regrets.'
Things have changed a lot in our culture regarding what it means to be a man.
I didn't see a lot of nationalism in their recollections. The overwhelming consistency in their stories was extreme Stoicism. A man does not complain.
So, if the question was 'How was it to lose your leg from a land mine?' or 'How was it to lose an eye while being gassed in the trenches?'
The answer was always something like: 'Oh, it wasn't so bad. Some guys got it worse. I have no regrets.'
Things have changed a lot in our culture regarding what it means to be a man.
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