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re: Ryan tax plan would cut taxes on rich and RAISE THEM on middle class - WaPo

Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:24 pm to
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are you under the impression that you have to tax the rich to help the middle class?


Estate taxes are supposed to retard the growth of an American aristocracy(they don't well enough) .
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:25 pm to
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WaPo




Fake News.



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Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:26 pm to
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Estate taxes are supposed to retard the growth of an American aristocracy(they don't well enough)


That is sickening. It's simply anti-freedom and selfish. Hey look these guys were smart with their money and saved up enough for future generations to enjoy..... TAKE IT FROM THEM!!!!
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
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they don't well enough


They don't at all. Besides being incredibly poorly thought out - they're easily bypassed by trusts and so forth.

Rich people are super adroit at avoiding (yes, legally avoiding taxes is "a thing") taxes they don't like. That's why broad based, across the board tax cuts are ALWAYS the way to go and any targeted "on the rich" taxes will ALWAYS fall short.

We have to do this every year around budget time, but if it changes just one fricked up Marxist's mind - one time - the effort is worth it.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Member since Mar 2006
48319 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:28 pm to
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Estate taxes are supposed to retard the growth of an American aristocracy(they don't well enough) .





Aristocracy doesn't equal wealth.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:28 pm to
How is it aristocrat? Aristocracy is when the rulers and elites have gov't sanctioned privileges to gain power and money
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:28 pm to
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Classic liberal thought process. Middle class gets a tax cut...but it's still bad because the wealthy get one too!!
They think the purpose of taxes should be vengeance on "the rich".

The tax codes shouldn't be a tool for revenge.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57291 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:30 pm to
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Estate taxes are supposed to retard the growth of an American aristocracy(
Do you think estate taxes would have kept Hillary Clinton Jeb! or GWB from being elected?

Those are much better examples of an "aristocracy" than the guy with a family farm passing it down to his children.

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they don't well enough
so do more of it?
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Canuck Tiger
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:31 pm to


Might the reason top quintile pays more taxes, be because they hold 85% of the country's wealth?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:35 pm to
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Might the reason top quintile pays more taxes, be because they hold 85% of the country's wealth?
We don't tax wealth. We tax income. And the "middle class" (as most would define it) has way more income than "the rich".
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19710 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:06 pm to
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Conservative tax policy has always been a joke. Raise the deficit to the direct benefit of the rich.
I mean I don't know why I am bothering cause you are the worst, but the deficit and tax policy are 2 different issues. Goverment revenue has gone up by a large amount with ever major tax cut going back to the beginning of the 20th century. The fact that the goverment spending increases even faster is a while different issue. It didn't change the fact that the best thing to do evening is to lower taxes to the point where the economy is working at peak efficiency. Also, Democrats, libs, leftists dint get to talk about deficits ever again. Your golden boy managed to waste more money we didn't have in 8 years than every other administration combined going back to the beginning of the country
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21898 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:09 pm to
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And the "middle class" (as most would define it) has way more income than "the rich".


Except not in reality.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48435 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:11 pm to
so disingenuous

Or are you really dumb enough to think those making 180k income a year are the wealthy. Wealth is different than income. Of course if you make 30 grand...You are envious of all of it.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4422 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:14 pm to
I just want an explanation on how this is s tax increase on the middle class when looking at for over 1 minute makes you realize it will be a tax cut.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:17 pm to
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Might the reason top quintile pays more taxes, be because they hold 85% of the country's wealth?
The vast majority of "wealth" holding in the central 3 quintiles is measured in home ownership. Sampling the population during the darkest portion of a US real estate price collapse in 2010 obviously skews "wealth" numbers.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21898 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:30 pm to
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BBONDS25


Quintiles are quintiles, champ. Numbers easily disprove his false statement.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43341 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:48 pm to
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BamaAtl


Just stop dude.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted by InTheDetails
Real, USA
Member since Jul 2014
774 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:55 pm to
I'm bothered that both tax plans give the biggest relief for the people on top. Crazy that so many people look the other way on this issue.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43341 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:57 pm to
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I'm bothered that both tax plans give the biggest relief for the people on top. Crazy that so many people look the other way on this issue.


Did you even read the thread? That has been addressed multiple times.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:57 pm to
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I'm bothered that both tax plans give the biggest relief for the people on top. Crazy that so many people look the other way on this issue.


How do you give a tax cut to people who don't pay taxes?
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