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re: Ryan tax plan would cut taxes on rich and RAISE THEM on middle class - WaPo

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Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:12 am to
I'm very concerned I may not be able to keep up with you in a tax discussion. Why did your graph cut off in 2008? Dishonest or ignorant?

And why do you keep posting the historical top rate when you've already been informed of the differences in the code?

You are blatant about your lying. It does more harm than good to whatever agenda you are pushing. Leftists have not figured out that lying and fake news is backfiring. Nobody trusts you loons.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:14 am
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28104 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:14 am to
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even though the top marginal tax rates are lower than before this little experiment in trickle-down economics started/failed.





Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56399 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:15 am to
quote:

Ryan tax plan would cut taxes on rich and RAISE THEM on middle class - WaPo



Is the middle class increase due to those in the middle class who weren't paying taxes before now paying taxes?

If so, I approve.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57095 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:15 am to


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Yeah, the rich has really been 'soaked' since Reagan.


Anyone posting this immediately outs themselves as an ignorant fool.

You can't compare the rates over time. Especially pre/post 1986. The income definitions and allowable deductions have chaned WAY too much.

NO ONE PAID THOSE RATES. It was way easier to hide income in shelters and deductions.

I'd gladly take a 90% tax rate with 1977's shelter and deductions over todays 39.5%. If pay less than I do now. Easily.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:15 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57095 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:16 am to
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It's like you're intentionally bad at this.
its like you know nothing about taxes. You appear to be too stupid to argue with. You're wrong and appear incapable of understanding why. Classic Dunning-Krueger.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:18 am
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:17 am to
I thought Trump had his own tax plan?
Posted by LSU12223
Member since Sep 2016
1482 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:20 am to
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I did forget to mention how conservatives like to reduce revenue while raising the military budget. It is their favorite thing in the world.

I'll give you that one, but they still wouldn't spend as much if they cut all the other nonsense spending. So i have a question for you. Are you for the rich being taxed more?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71170 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:20 am to
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cut taxes on rich


Support.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:21 am to
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Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57095 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:21 am to
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Because they have an increasingly higher share of wealth/income in this country over time.
Nope. The "middle class" ears FAR more income than the rich. I posted the chart for you above.
Posted by LSU12223
Member since Sep 2016
1482 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:22 am to
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Support.

Flat tax across the board.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71170 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:24 am to
I prefer a consumption tax model.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:25 am to
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Are you for the rich being taxed more?
I'll need a bit more information to answer. For now, I'll say this:
When it comes to making changes to the status quo tax baseline, I prefer to tax the wealthy as opposed to the poor or middle class.
I don't believe in the "trickle down" supply side philosophy. I believe that hiring and investment are business decisions and that very wealthy people's financial decisions are not really impacted by having a few extra dollars in their pocket.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4398 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:27 am to
This article is bullshite. One of the one positives of Trumps tax plan in an increase in the standard deduction. That helps the middle class bigly. Rich people itemize so that doesn't help them. That one fact alone makes the OP title false.

Edit- He wants to increase the standard deduction to 15k/30k. That's average savings of $1200 for individual and $3500 for a married couple.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:31 am
Posted by LSU12223
Member since Sep 2016
1482 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:28 am to
quote:

When it comes to making changes to the status quo tax baseline, I prefer to tax the wealthy as opposed to the poor or middle class.
I don't believe in the "trickle down" supply side philosophy. I believe that hiring and investment are business decisions and that very wealthy people's financial decisions are not really impacted by having a few extra dollars in their pocket.

I will rephrase my question. Are you supporting the upper class to be taxed at a higher percent than they are being taxed today?
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:31 am to
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Are you supporting the upper class to be taxed at a higher percent than they are being taxed today?
I would need to see it in the context of a larger plan. I would like to see a plan that raises revenue while simultaneously seeing a budget that reduces spending. If we have an end goal in mind (like balancing the budget) I would be happy to pay more taxes as long as there were some cuts. And yes, that would involve the "upper class" paying a bit more.
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
2975 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:32 am to
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The estate tax should be doubled. If the guy is dead he doesn't need the money anyway.


Lol Jesus Christ what is wrong with you people?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71170 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:32 am to
The upper class already pays "a bit more."
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:33 am to
You have to make under 15k for single or 30k for middle class?
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:33 am to
LMAO at "Ryan tax plan"

we didn't call Obamacare Charlie Rangle tax plan when he introduced it to the house. stop being ninnies and call it what it is: Trumpcare
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